Keif ?

OK I have been making dry ice hash... as my primary "hash"
I have done Qwiso and bho... I am not a fan of either.. here is why
1. I honestly cant tell the diff with BHO or Qwiso (when iso was done properly)
2. Dry ice hash and cold water hash taste the same to me..
3. I can make Dry Ice hash in no time flat.. seriously no drying nothin more then basic prep
4. OK I admit BHO seems to hit a little better BUT... it's not something I wish to waste the time/energy on.

why is keif looked at like it's a roach? and less effective? Do other method do something to the thc to make it better? I can understand how some of you are purest and have to vacum purge bho or whatever..

but if keif is what fits thru the micron sizes used... the same will happen with BHO or ISO? so... a "purest" should prefer the keif dry ice way correct??

I think the reason people dont use keif is because its so ground up and tiny already and the majority of what will come through the screens in any process if you use keif will still be the keif and all its green glory

massah said:

I think the reason people dont use keif is because its so ground up and tiny already and the majority of what will come through the screens in any process if you use keif will still be the keif and all its green glory

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ok... but isnt the same happening with BHO and ISO? infact I would argure more plant material would come off via a solvent rather then just being banged around with some ice..

gioua said:

ok... but isnt the same happening with BHO and ISO? infact I would argure more plant material would come off via a solvent rather then just being banged around with some ice..

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i would tend to agree with you about the hash made via solvent absorbing more than a dry ice hash, but perhaps it's more than just plant matter. meaning that perhaps there are oils and such that come out in bho that you wouldn't get with a dry sift. personally i prefer pressed blonde keif over any other concentrate, although bho made by someone with high standards is a real special thing. i wasn't aware there were people who turned their noses up at good keif. maybe the greener stuff ran through a 220, but you run that shit through a 75 and you should have a real top shelf product.

i love kief, if its of a high quality, but IMO when your makin dry ice hash, the best way to separate the grades is by the amount of time you agitate the plant matter, longer you shake, more plant matter in your product, also why i like to use fresh trim, i feel like it helps the plant matter hold its form a little longer b4 being crushed into a powder...but ultimatly, the first couple seconds of your dry ice shake is gonna be mostly tricombs due to the fact there most brittle, even if you use a 220 like i do...but over couple minutes more and more plant matter will make its way throught the screen, i suppose you could try to reprocess the more green kief with a smaller micron screen, and try to pull out some plant matter, but i havent tyd that yet..sorry if dont make any sense, super baked right now

Have ever rolled a lief blunt with only kief.now that's a good blunt.

Bublonichronic said:

i love kief, if its of a high quality, but IMO when your makin dry ice hash, the best way to separate the grades is by the amount of time you agitate the plant matter, longer you shake, more plant matter in your product, also why i like to use fresh trim, i feel like it helps the plant matter hold its form a little longer b4 being crushed into a powder...but ultimatly, the first couple seconds of your dry ice shake is gonna be mostly tricombs due to the fact there most brittle, even if you use a 220 like i do...but over couple minutes more and more plant matter will make its way throught the screen, i suppose you could try to reprocess the more green kief with a smaller micron screen, and try to pull out some plant matter, but i havent tyd that yet..sorry if dont make any sense, super baked right now

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you know fresh trim would have been idea... damn wish I would have done that then...

I have been using a nylon stocking... dont worry it's not mine.. lol I have had goof luck with them but I found a set of 4 25-50-100-150 bags.. these are not the normal bags on ebay google 50 micron filter or bag and you will see these 12'' long sock/mesh like things.. I am going to be using these inside a mason jar once they come on fri

Bublonichronic said:

i love kief, if its of a high quality, but IMO when your makin dry ice hash, the best way to separate the grades is by the amount of time you agitate the plant matter, longer you shake, more plant matter in your product, also why i like to use fresh trim, i feel like it helps the plant matter hold its form a little longer b4 being crushed into a powder...but ultimatly, the first couple seconds of your dry ice shake is gonna be mostly tricombs due to the fact there most brittle, even if you use a 220 like i do...but over couple minutes more and more plant matter will make its way throught the screen, i suppose you could try to reprocess the more green kief with a smaller micron screen, and try to pull out some plant matter, but i havent tyd that yet..sorry if dont make any sense, super baked right now

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I used straight bud, and had good results after screwing this up the first time with trim. I found that you really do not need to shake a whole lot prior to sifting, even bud turns to powder by overdoing it. I did a second run, and found that most of my kief was extracted on the first.

has anyone used these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Size-4-4-OD-X-14-L-55-Micron-Nylon-Mesh-Filter-Bag-Polypro-Ring-/370558511347?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo=LVI&itu=UCI&otn=2&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=4242454705991238748

just purchased them.. pretty sure they will work

gioua said:

has anyone used these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Size-4-4-OD-X-14-L-55-Micron-Nylon-Mesh-Filter-Bag-Polypro-Ring-/370558511347?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo=LVI&itu=UCI&otn=2&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=4242454705991238748

just purchased them.. pretty sure they will work

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Better selection for the roughly the same price here:
http://www.wackywillysweb.com/products.php?cat=57

Sunbiz1 said:

Better selection for the roughly the same price here:
http://www.wackywillysweb.com/products.php?cat=57

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i've been reading myself silly trying to figure out the hash makn method that's gonna work for me. i don't want solvents. i like kief, no i love it. i have a sugary hemp plant growing outside that i wanna make hash out of. those bags look good. if you could only chose 2 sizes which would they be? it's got alot of bud and it's about 4ft tall now at 35 days so i'm thinking i'm gonna be shaking for awhile

meant hermie not hemp plant LOL

Kief vs ISO or BHO

Kief is sieved material.. meaning it's just leaving out a decent portion of organic matter, but at the same time dragging a tiny bit along too.

ISO is a moderaterly polar solvent, so you're going to obviously get more than THC this way.

Butane is mostly non-polar, making a purer substance in the end. Both BHO and ISO methods also activate the THC so that you can eat it (someone correct this if it doesn't apply to BHO like I'm thinking it does, but I know you can't eat kief XD)

mysunnyboy said:

i've been reading myself silly trying to figure out the hash makn method that's gonna work for me. i don't want solvents. i like kief, no i love it. i have a sugary hemp plant growing outside that i wanna make hash out of. those bags look good. if you could only chose 2 sizes which would they be? it's got alot of bud and it's about 4ft tall now at 35 days so i'm thinking i'm gonna be shaking for awhile

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I went with the 1 gal size b/c they are easier to work with...particularly when first trying this. I also prefer to do it in batches b/c I have to buy a 10 Lb minimum order of ice at the store anyways. I don't even bother with hash presses b/c I can replicate the same heat press without it, although I do cut in half the amount of oven time...350 for 5 minutes then press then into the freezer.

VoidObject said:

Kief vs ISO or BHO

Kief is sieved material.. meaning it's just leaving out a decent portion of organic matter, but at the same time dragging a tiny bit along too.

ISO is a moderaterly polar solvent, so you're going to obviously get more than THC this way.

Butane is mostly non-polar, making a purer substance in the end. Both BHO and ISO methods also activate the THC so that you can eat it (someone correct this if it doesn't apply to BHO like I'm thinking it does, but I know you can't eat kief XD)

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You can eat hash but not kief?...please explain.

VoidObject said:

Kief vs ISO or BHO

Kief is sieved material.. meaning it's just leaving out a decent portion of organic matter, but at the same time dragging a tiny bit along too.

ISO is a moderaterly polar solvent, so you're going to obviously get more than THC this way.

Butane is mostly non-polar, making a purer substance in the end. Both BHO and ISO methods also activate the THC so that you can eat it (someone correct this if it doesn't apply to BHO like I'm thinking it does, but I know you can't eat kief XD)

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Activating the THC (breaking down the THCA storage form/prodrug) requires heat. Most bho desn't see enough heat long enough to pop all or even most of the THCA. When i do a solvent run, I work to never overheat ... the THCA can solidify, leading to the "ear wax" effect that I like.
THCA is inactve when eaten ... cn

Sunbiz1 said:

I went with the 1 gal size b/c they are easier to work with...particularly when first trying this. I also prefer to do it in batches b/c I have to buy a 10 Lb minimum order of ice at the store anyways. I don't even bother with hash presses b/c I can replicate the same heat press without it, although I do cut in half the amount of oven time...350 for 5 minutes then press then into the freezer.

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you use the full size range? or just like 160 and 90?

well I just got my bags last night. Much better then expected.. these things are pretty damn tough... took me about an hour to take one apart.. (took the 150 micron one apart.. I plan on taking the filter (now it's about 12x12 ) and covering the lid on a mason jar and doing some iso today.. I have found the easiest way to do iso is freeze your iso and weed for about 24 hours.. when your ready take the frozen weed put into a ziploc bag add iso do a qwiso then with the bag full tip to the side so all the stuff is in a corner of the bag then cut the tip of the bag where the air is... slowly strain iso over the micron sleeve let dry.. smoke.. clean up = toss bag out wash sleeve..

mysunnyboy said:

you use the full size range? or just like 160 and 90?

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I need to add more b/c you really do need the full range, and that gets pretty expensive with the 5 gals. 160 and 90 are all I have at the moment, they do fine for bud...but a 190 and 72 would be even better.

look hash can be made with a coffee filter and cold water... hash is pretty easy to make.. plain and simple... GOOD hash on the other hand is an art.

Most folks like the ISO hash or the BHO hash.. I am pretty certain the only 2 things iso or bho do to the plant are..
1.strip the plant of trics and burn off so there is little to no taste. This also I believe disolves the resin glands (which makes the stuff all sticky gooey etc..
2 make the hash so it's nice and ballable.. (rolls into a ball.. )

so... if I can take some clean keif that is done with the goof micron sizes say under 100 ish once all the keif is collected (like a dry ice collection) hash anyone then added a few drops of ISO to get it all gooey again?

just a thought...


anyhow ... just made 1 oz qwiso of blue dream hash.. need to run off to costco get my meds then will post pix