January 6th, 2021

DIY-HP-LED

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DIY-HP-LED

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There is another investigation over the covid response that is turning up the heat too. Joe made his move and announced no privilege for Donald today, everything goes to congress. There will be no way out, remember how this stuff used to work, back in the day? They are going for the throat and will rip it out.
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Trump World 'Furious' As House Jan. 6 Committee Issues Subpoenas

The House committee investigating the Capitol insurrection has subpoenas for Trump insiders Steve Bannon, Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino, and Kashyap Patel.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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'There Is No Executive Privilege For Sedition’: Joe’s Message To Trump On Subpoenas

Joe Scarborough discusses the four Trump aides that were subpoenaed in the House Jan. 6 probe, and expounds on the ways former President Donald Trump may try to protect himself and his allies against the investigation.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The January 6th Committee Drops The Hammer On Trump Aides And Allies

Former acting U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal and former Republican Congresswoman Barbara Comstock react to the subpoenas issued to four top Trump advisers as the Jan. 6 committee ramps up its investigation
 

schuylaar

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There is another investigation over the covid response that is turning up the heat too. Joe made his move and announced no privilege for Donald today, everything goes to congress. There will be no way out, remember how this stuff used to work, back in the day? They are going for the throat and will rip it out.
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Trump World 'Furious' As House Jan. 6 Committee Issues Subpoenas

The House committee investigating the Capitol insurrection has subpoenas for Trump insiders Steve Bannon, Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino, and Kashyap Patel.
at the time and place of our president's choosing and he chose.
 

schuylaar

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There is another investigation over the covid response that is turning up the heat too. Joe made his move and announced no privilege for Donald today, everything goes to congress. There will be no way out, remember how this stuff used to work, back in the day? They are going for the throat and will rip it out.
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Trump World 'Furious' As House Jan. 6 Committee Issues Subpoenas

The House committee investigating the Capitol insurrection has subpoenas for Trump insiders Steve Bannon, Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino, and Kashyap Patel.
he should be charged with crimes against humanity for lack of response and purposely sabotaging states efforts to get ppe's and other supplies.
 

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Biden Won't Invoke Executive Privilege to Shield Trump Court Records
President Joe Biden doesn't plan to stand in the way of the U.S. government releasing information to Congress on the actions of former President Donald Trump and his aides on Jan. 6.

''We take this matter incredibly seriously,'' White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters Friday. ''The president has already concluded that it would not be appropriate to assert executive privilege and so we will respond promptly to these questions as they arise and certainly as they come up from Congress.

''We have been working closely with congressional committees and others as they work to get to the bottom of what happened on Jan. 6, an incredibly dark day in our democracy,'' she said.

Yeah yeah, you have heard it all before. That is, all but the crying.
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Forget about Trump. Let's expose the Bidens, Clintons, Romneys, Kerrys, Pelosies. et al who have themselves or their offspring lined their pockets at the expense of the US taxpayers.
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The only thing that Biden has done in office is to show his vindictiveness Anything that Trump did, he took measures to undo, no matter how many times he shot himself in the foot to do it.
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little joey bidum is a illegitimate president. We need to get rid of this Commie. Wake up America. Your time is running out.
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We saw the insurrection, Tourists walking around the room.
Another Dem lie.
Dem Rule #1: No laws apply to Dems.
Dem Rule #2: Dems must always protect other Dems.
Dem Rule #3: Dems always lie or deceive.
Dem Rule #4: The end always justifies the means.
Dem Rule #5: The object is always Power.
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Now that we know it is Hunter's laptop confirmed by the evil NYT and NOT China's. CAN WE NOW OPEN THE LAPTOP AND SEE INTO DETAIL EVERY EVIL DEAL ON IT!!????


Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Biden Won't Invoke Executive Privilege to Shield Trump Court Records
President Joe Biden doesn't plan to stand in the way of the U.S. government releasing information to Congress on the actions of former President Donald Trump and his aides on Jan. 6.

''We take this matter incredibly seriously,'' White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters Friday. ''The president has already concluded that it would not be appropriate to assert executive privilege and so we will respond promptly to these questions as they arise and certainly as they come up from Congress.

''We have been working closely with congressional committees and others as they work to get to the bottom of what happened on Jan. 6, an incredibly dark day in our democracy,'' she said.

Yeah yeah, you have heard it all before. That is, all but the crying.
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Forget about Trump. Let's expose the Bidens, Clintons, Romneys, Kerrys, Pelosies. et al who have themselves or their offspring lined their pockets at the expense of the US taxpayers.
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The only thing that Biden has done in office is to show his vindictiveness Anything that Trump did, he took measures to undo, no matter how many times he shot himself in the foot to do it.
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little joey bidum is a illegitimate president. We need to get rid of this Commie. Wake up America. Your time is running out.
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We saw the insurrection, Tourists walking around the room.
Another Dem lie.
Dem Rule #1: No laws apply to Dems.
Dem Rule #2: Dems must always protect other Dems.
Dem Rule #3: Dems always lie or deceive.
Dem Rule #4: The end always justifies the means.
Dem Rule #5: The object is always Power.
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Now that we know it is Hunter's laptop confirmed by the evil NYT and NOT China's. CAN WE NOW OPEN THE LAPTOP AND SEE INTO DETAIL EVERY EVIL DEAL ON IT!!????


Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
A whole lotta projecting going on...
 

CCGNZ

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There is another investigation over the covid response that is turning up the heat too. Joe made his move and announced no privilege for Donald today, everything goes to congress. There will be no way out, remember how this stuff used to work, back in the day? They are going for the throat and will rip it out.
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Trump World 'Furious' As House Jan. 6 Committee Issues Subpoenas

The House committee investigating the Capitol insurrection has subpoenas for Trump insiders Steve Bannon, Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino, and Kashyap Patel.
I personally don't care what brings down Cheeto and his hysterical folly of running in 2024, investigations,more scandal, whatever. All i know is that just the thought of him running again fills me w/fear, anxiety, and forbodance. I don't believe our country can survive it to tell you the truth. PLEAAAAASE may some kind of devine intervention of any kind take place to derail any chance of him seeking election in 2024. It has to happen,National survival depends upon it IMO.ccguns
 

CatHedral

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I personally don't care what brings down Cheeto and his hysterical folly of running in 2024, investigations,more scandal, whatever. All i know is that just the thought of him running again fills me w/fear, anxiety, and forbodance. I don't believe our country can survive it to tell you the truth. PLEAAAAASE may some kind of devine intervention of any kind take place to derail any chance of him seeking election in 2024. It has to happen,National survival depends upon it IMO.ccguns
I prefer nondivine intervention. The best outcome imo is if the ponderous machinery of the justice system slowly grinds him and his conspirators into a paste. A more accidental removal leaves a massive far-right meta-organization in place and viable.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I personally don't care what brings down Cheeto and his hysterical folly of running in 2024, investigations,more scandal, whatever. All i know is that just the thought of him running again fills me w/fear, anxiety, and forbodance. I don't believe our country can survive it to tell you the truth. PLEAAAAASE may some kind of devine intervention of any kind take place to derail any chance of him seeking election in 2024. It has to happen,National survival depends upon it IMO.ccguns
NY state will likely be the source of divine intervention, Donald is going state maximum security prison, no pardons there. The closer to the election the better, he will run for the nomination from his NY prison cell and get it too. It will be smoke and mirrors for Donald the "political prisoner", but his legal troubles and trials won't end with his imprisonment.

Garland will wait for congress to prefer indictments and perhaps a grand jury too, he's in no rush. Having Donald in prison, muzzled and broke will make fucking him so much easier and closer to the election too. The public has short attention spans and the democrats have been busy with legislation and investigations all spring and summer. It's fall now and TV season and that is the best time for public hearings and trials, they will go on for a long time. These assholes are gonna squeal, deal and cut each other's throats during the hearings and trials. There will be a traffic jam at the prosecutor's door, as they race to be the first in, count on it. The fun is just beginning and Donald will do more freaking, howling and thrashing as his day of doom draws closer. When he is indicted, the judge owns his ass then and will muzzle him with a court order, which he will violate (twitter should help with this) and might be jailed until his trial and he won't want to delay that when he's in the crowbar hotel. If he ends up with a hard ass, black female judge, it will be amusing.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Reporter: Bannon's admission creates a huge problem for Trump loyalists

The select committee investigating the January 6 riot at the US Capitol issued its first round of subpoenas Thursday, targeting close aides and allies of former President Donald Trump.
The subpoenas come as the select committee seeks to investigate efforts the Trump White House took to potentially overturn the 2020 presidential election and how the spread of misinformation fueled the anger and violence that led to the Capitol insurrection.
The four subpoenas are going to former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, former deputy chief of staff Dan Scavino, former adviser Steve Bannon and Kash Patel, a former chief of staff to then-acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller who had also served as an aide to Republican Rep. Devin Nunes.
Bannon appeared to admit on his podcast to talking with former President Trump about "killing" Biden's presidency "in the crib" in the days before the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Glen figures Bannon is caught by the balls and is good as gone. Say hello to the asshole who is gonna be a star witness and get a deal, by selling everybody out. Steve must have been drunk I guess, I hear he has issues, he looks like Hell, so I figure he does have a liquor issue. Drying out is hard to do inside a cell. He is gonna have a Helluva time in the select committee's hot seat and many are eager to fuck ole Steve real good, when he walks out the door he should have blood running out of his asshole..
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Bannon's Attempt to Justify His Seditious "Crib" Statement Produces Deeply Incriminating Admission

 
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Executive privilege fight poses hurdles for Trump
Former President Trump faces significant hurdles in his effort to use executive privilege to block the Jan. 6 committee's subpoenas for executive branch documents and testimony from his former aides.

After the panel issued a new round of subpoenas Thursday night seeking testimony from his former advisers, Trump renewed his threat to fight the investigative demands using claims of executive privilege.

“We will fight the Subpoenas on Executive Privilege and other grounds, for the good of our Country, while we wait to find out whether or not Subpoenas will be sent out to Antifa and BLM for the death and destruction they have caused in tearing apart our Democrat-run cities throughout America,” the former president said in a statement.


The standoff has laid the groundwork for what could become a major legal battle with significant constitutional implications. It’s unclear how he would fare in court, but Trump’s ability to use executive privilege to shield information and hinder the committee’s investigation is likely limited.

Trump may try to convince the four former advisers — chief of staff Mark Meadows; strategist Steve Bannon; social media guru Dan Scavino; and Kashyap Patel, the former chief of staff to the acting secretary of defense in the final weeks of the Trump administration — not to comply with the subpoenas for their testimony or to invoke executive privilege over certain information.

The committee could then file a civil suit seeking a court order directing the former aides to comply. The lawmakers could also choose to hold them in contempt, referring the matter to the Justice Department for a criminal prosecution.

Last month, the committee also sent requests to the National Archive for voluminous categories of documents from eight government agencies related to the Trump administration’s handling of the Capitol riot. Under the Presidential Records Act, Trump’s lawyers will be able to push for some of the responsive documents to be shielded using executive privilege, but ultimately it will be up to the current White House whether to approve it.

The Washington Post reported this week that President Biden’s White House is inclined to turn over to Congress documents that would normally be considered privileged. If it does so, Trump could try to go to court for an order blocking the release.

Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), who chairs the select committee, vowed to use any legal means at his disposal to enforce the subpoenas, noting he hopes to rely on the backing of a friendly administration.


“Nobody is beyond a subpoena,” Thompson said when asked whether future subpoenas would target others in Trump’s orbit, including his children.

“Most of what we're looking for it’s a matter of President Biden saying it's okay to get the information, and they have not to my knowledge made a final decision on that.”

If the standoff does end up in court, it would pit the executive branch’s interest in confidentiality against the committee’s investigatory needs. The Supreme Court has ruled that a former president has some standing to assert executive privilege, but the scope of it is largely unsettled.

Such a court fight would also put the Biden administration in a position where it would have to balance the investigative efforts with its own interests in executive branch privilege.

“While the Biden Administration is certainly keen to encourage as much transparency and disclosure here, and they have already permitted more than was expected, there are legitimate executive privilege concerns that could be implicated and that might be defended by the incumbent administration,” said Bradley Moss, a lawyer specializing in national security law.

“It will be a case-by-case assessment, and no one should assume Biden will simply allow the Government to throw open everything to Congressional investigators. There is an institution and precedent with respect to the Office of the President that Biden will still want to protect, within reason.”

Moss added that Trump would face different hurdles in a court challenge against the document requests versus a case over the subpoenas to his inner circle.

“Mr. Trump’s ability to invoke executive privilege with respect to testimony, as opposed to records, is even weaker, as the PRA does not truly encompass the issue,” he said. “That would be strictly an issue for DOJ to evaluate, but which Mr. Trump could, if he was truly feeling bold, try to litigate in court. He would ultimately lose.”

Other legal experts say that there are a lot of open questions about the extent to which former presidents can invoke privilege, and that those questions would likely prevent any quick resolution in the courts.

“I think we're going to see potentially — it may get to the court, it may not — this difficult constitutional question about what powers, what authority, a former president has when it’s his information and his papers at issue. It's never really come up much and it will have ramifications for long down the road,” said Jonathan David Shaub, a constitutional law professor at the University of Kentucky.

Emily Berman, a professor at the University of Houston’s law school, said there is a lot of uncertainty around how such a case might play out and that the outcome would be influenced by a long list of factors.

“The extent to which former presidents can claim privilege is something that hasn't been worked out through the courts,” Berman said. “There aren't clear rules and there are lots of variables that might differentiate some people's conversations [with Trump] from others, and some documents versus some other documents.”


“For example a former president’s privilege claim is deemed much stronger if the current president supports it," she added. "We've never been in a situation where there was a prior claim that was not supported by the incumbent, because presidents, when it comes to their turn to be the former president, they want to be able to do that same thing.”

Berman added that Trump’s goal may be to tie up some of the subpoenas in court in the hope of stalling the investigation.

“We saw this with other attempts to get information from President Trump, you go to the court and it takes a year and a half to come to a conclusion,” she said. “You know that Republicans might be in control of the House at that point and so I think even if you have quite weak legal arguments the tactic of, 'let's get this tied up in the courts and simply delay' – that's one that's worked for the former president in the past and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't try to do the same here.”

But ultimately, Shaub said, Trump may not be able to block the committee from getting a clear enough picture to carry out the probe.

“I think there'll be people, like we saw with the impeachment inquiry, who come forward and testify. Even if Trump is out there shouting that they can't and they shouldn't and try behind the scenes to pressure them not to,” Shaub said.

“So I think they'll get information, and there may be some information, some of the precise conversations and whereabouts on the 6th and some of the things they saw from these witnesses, maybe they never get that,” he said. “But it seems like they would be able to piece together a pretty good picture of what happened without having all those details.”
 

H G Griffin

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Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), who chairs the select committee, vowed to use any legal means at his disposal to enforce the subpoenas, noting he hopes to rely on the backing of a friendly administration.
Did you guys know that in some countries, they have laws that don't require a "friendly administration" to be enforced? No, really. In some places, the law is the law, rather than an endless circle-jerk of lawyer games and sound-bites that keep the populace entertained while accomplishing fuck-all.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Scary
The best time for a battle is when your enemy is unprepared and at a weak point, driven to it by desperate and bad leadership. It is a very good time to have this fight and the more desperate, violent, dangerous and stupid they are, the better. It will be easier to destroy them completely, the response will always escalate beyond the immediate threat. Cops always escalate the situation when challenged, so will the government. If they continue with violence and mass stupidity the federal government will be democratic, all three branches. Then the fun will really begin for these assholes, the courts might be conservative, but they are not that kind of conservative and will want these assholes killed off quick too.
 

CatHedral

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The best time for a battle is when your enemy is unprepared and at a weak point, driven to it by desperate and bad leadership. It is a very good time to have this fight and the more desperate, violent, dangerous and stupid they are, the better. It will be easier to destroy them completely, the response will always escalate beyond the immediate threat. Cops always escalate the situation when challenged, so will the government. If they continue with violence and mass stupidity the federal government will be democratic, all three branches. Then the fun will really begin for these assholes, the courts might be conservative, but they are not that kind of conservative and will want these assholes killed off quick too.
I am not confident. The SC has gutted the Voting Rights Act and is “standing back and standing by” while states tear into reproductive rights. The Repugs are playing a game that is as long as it is dirty. They are gaining ground. They have been caught in de facto treason, and so far without meaningful consequences.

I think we are at real risk of seeing the Republic replaced by something Republican. That word is our newest oxymoron.
 
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