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jollygreengiant8
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im not sure, but interested..
from wikipedia
"Mescaline or 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine is a naturally-occurring psychedelic alkaloid of the phenethylamine class."
"It occurs naturally in the peyote cactus (Lophophora williamsii), the San Pedro cactus (Echinopsis pachanoi) and the Peruvian Torch cactus (Echinopsis peruviana), and in a number of other members of the Cactaceae. It is also found in small amounts in certain members of the Fabaceae (bean family), including Acacia berlandieri.[1]"
im not sure about the 3, 4, or 5 trimethoxyphenethylamine..i dont know if the numbers differentiate a different form or strength or trip of mescaline
have you ever indulged in mescaline before? sounds fun..
ill keep looking for an answer
from wikipedia
"Mescaline or 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine is a naturally-occurring psychedelic alkaloid of the phenethylamine class."
"It occurs naturally in the peyote cactus (Lophophora williamsii), the San Pedro cactus (Echinopsis pachanoi) and the Peruvian Torch cactus (Echinopsis peruviana), and in a number of other members of the Cactaceae. It is also found in small amounts in certain members of the Fabaceae (bean family), including Acacia berlandieri.[1]"
im not sure about the 3, 4, or 5 trimethoxyphenethylamine..i dont know if the numbers differentiate a different form or strength or trip of mescaline
have you ever indulged in mescaline before? sounds fun..
ill keep looking for an answer
jollygreengiant8
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"Mescaline is found in many types of cacti, most prominently in peyote (lophophora williamsii), San Pedro (trichocerus pachanoi) and the Peruvian Torch (trichocerus peruvianus). The mescaline content of the various mescaline containing cacti varies greatly between individual samples as well as between species."
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jollygreengiant8
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yeah the cacti are kind of rare now i believe..from people picking them for mescaline.
the cacti also take a few years to grow to a decent size.
ive never even heard of anyone getting a hold of some or seeing any or anything like that.
maybe try to get some seeds and start them up and in like 5 years you can try it
im stuck in the same boat..
the cacti also take a few years to grow to a decent size.
ive never even heard of anyone getting a hold of some or seeing any or anything like that.
maybe try to get some seeds and start them up and in like 5 years you can try it
im stuck in the same boat..
newparadigm
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damn that, if you can't find microdots order peyote button from our sexy-mexy neighbors down south. cactus tastes bad, you will vomit vomit and vomit some more with all that plant material in your guts (though some would say its an integral part of the purging experience of bad mojo or some other mystical shit). If you must, dethorn skin and boil into a soupy shit and it will go down easier.
Gianni
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The "3,4,5" in the chemical name of mescaline (3,4,5, trimethoxy-PEA) has to do with the position of the methoxy groups on the benzene ring, it has nothing to do with strength. Peyote and San pedro have the same ingridient (mescaline) though there is debate about the presence of trace amounts of mescaline analogues that add a certain "flavor" to the experience.
And Pumert you should use about 12in of San Pedro for a good dose, 18in for an awesome dose.
And Pumert you should use about 12in of San Pedro for a good dose, 18in for an awesome dose.
yuri orlov
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u can extract scline from peote
jollygreengiant8
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petejonson
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both cacti contain mescaline, but they both also contain many other different alkaloids which add to the effects of the cactus
Gianni
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Do you have sources or is that just pure speculation?
Have you tried both peyote and san pedro and can say from experience?
When you say different alkaloids, are there enough of these alkaloids to be active in humans to significantly alter the effects(of mescaline)? Can you cite any of the chemical names of these alkaloids?
I have done San pedro and peruvian torch and can say from experience that these substances have the same effects, and if dosed without knowing which is which could not tell the difference.
Could the different effects talked about come about from slight variations in the psychedelic experience? For instance when on mushes I always have cubes but no trip is the same and have weird kinks, but the overall experience is the same.
Have you tried both peyote and san pedro and can say from experience?
When you say different alkaloids, are there enough of these alkaloids to be active in humans to significantly alter the effects(of mescaline)? Can you cite any of the chemical names of these alkaloids?
I have done San pedro and peruvian torch and can say from experience that these substances have the same effects, and if dosed without knowing which is which could not tell the difference.
Could the different effects talked about come about from slight variations in the psychedelic experience? For instance when on mushes I always have cubes but no trip is the same and have weird kinks, but the overall experience is the same.
petejonson
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this is from sources. not only have i seen this on the net at the community college i go to i take a navajo indian class and they had a indian from the NAC come in and talk all about the peyote ceremony and the cactus. it was dope, the dude even brought in a real peyote cactus he was growing
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