Interesting US law, is it the same in the UK

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Erdnase

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Hey again all.
As alwas in m quest for herbal knowledge I end up here. I am sure many of you have seen the programme Weed Country - Well in one of the episodes one of the growers states by legal definition in his county "although both process narcotic properties only sativa is classed as cannabis". So indica by legal defination doesnt qualify as cannabis (apprantly legal cases have been built on this).

Does anyone know if this is true in the UK? I have done some research but cant find a "legal" defination. I imagine it is not the same and even if it was wouldnt be viewed as such in a court as cannabis is cannabis by any defination.
 
To me, that appears to be a set of clever words to try to entrap people... the information below would mean that any sub-species directly below it would qualify.

[TABLE="class: infobox biota"]
[TR]
[TD]Genus:[/TD]
[TD]Cannabis
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Species:[/TD]
[TD]C. sativa
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

which would then look like this:

C. sativa subsp. sativa
C. sativa subsp. indica

I guessit's more personal interpretation of their word choices.. but if it's anything gov't-related that mentioned it, I would be -very- careful and look for caveats that could get one bbq'd in a court of law.
 
Thats what I pretty much figured - any cannabis plant would be classed as cannabis legal if its in the family of plants. I think that if you did state this in court (If of course the law is worded this way) The judge would laugh at you and probably say nice try.
I just found it interesting and couldnt find any info on it. I think common sense knows the answer though :)
 
Erdnase said:
Thats what I pretty much figured - any cannabis plant would be classed as cannabis legal if its in the family of plants. I think that if you did state this in court (If of course the law is worded this way) The judge would laugh at you and probably say nice try.
I just found it interesting and couldnt find any info on it. I think common sense knows the answer though :)
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Agreed on that, was just figuring I'd mention it so we didn't potentially have any get arrested over clever word choices - that said, good eye and a good mention for discussion :D
 
Not a lawyer but US Code probably somewhere refers to this:(c) The term “cannabis” as used in this chapter means any part of the plant Cannabis sativa L. or any
species thereof, including Cannabis indica, Cannabis ruderalis, Cannabis americana or any other variety of the
species Cannabis sativa L. whether growing or not; the seeds thereof, and resin extracted from any part of the
plant, its seeds or resin. The term does not include the mature stalks of the plant, fiber produced from the stalks,
oil or cake made from the seeds of the plant, any other compound, manufacture, salt derivative, mixture or
preparation of the mature stalks except the resin extracted therefrom, fiber, oil or cake or the sterilized seed of
the plant which is incapable of germination. I'm sure there's case law somewhere where this has been challenged (and lost). Like folks claiming they have a "right" not to pay the IRS.
 
The law that allows GW pharmaceuticals http://www.gwpharm.com/
to supply domestically and export their product sativex all round the world is making huge profits for some shady characters

Why is the cannabis in Sativex legal?
The cannabis in Sativex is grown with permission from the UK Government, under highly controlled conditions.
Two different sorts of cannabis plant are used to make Sativex. Each plant is carefully selected to produce the same amount of active ingredients. Every vial of Sativex is manufactured to make sure it contains exactly the same balance of the active ingredients from each type of plant, to make an effective medicine.*Sativex is therefore a legal medicine when prescribed by specialist physicians.

i wonder why the American government has not given licences to some of its pharmaceutical friends if it did the USA could export cannabis legally to Mexico lol
without the United Nations making threats to America

sativex contains not just THC but all the components found in the plant itself, it is nothing more than a tincture .. how did the UK goverment get away with this, on an international scale ?

peace :)
 
Erdnase said:
Hey again all.
As alwas in m quest for herbal knowledge I end up here. I am sure many of you have seen the programme Weed Country - Well in one of the episodes one of the growers states by legal definition in his county "although both process narcotic properties only sativa is classed as cannabis". So indica by legal defination doesnt qualify as cannabis (apprantly legal cases have been built on this).

Does anyone know if this is true in the UK? I have done some research but cant find a "legal" defination. I imagine it is not the same and even if it was wouldnt be viewed as such in a court as cannabis is cannabis by any defination.
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I watched the same show. I live in the US and got busted with large amounts years ago, and even then it was all about if it tested for THC. One legal deffinition maybe what was stated but there is deffinately Federal laws pertaining to just THC. THC is what is on the banned substance list. What I'm saying it comes down to THC not sativa indica canabis or not
 
yeahI figured if it was part of the cannabis family, its a cannabis plant. SImple. Looking at the banned susbsatnce list didnt even occur to me, but of course THC is listed! Shame they worded thier statement a bit misleadingly on the show! Thanks for the replies
 
skunkd0c said:
Ask for a licence to grow and export lol
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If only I could get one LOL
I did also look into get a prescprtion from a country with medical laws and bringing back my medicine myself - I know now that this is extreme cases or an urban myth :P

On another note, it will be interesting to see the outcome of the fella in the programme facing legal difficulties, if he uses the "Well Indica is not cannabis" argurment. I think he will be better off just saying he was producing medicine and trying to help people.
 
Erdnase said:
If only I could get one LOL
I did also look into get a prescprtion from a country with medical laws and bringing back my medicine myself - I know now that this is extreme cases or an urban myth :P

On another note, it will be interesting to see the outcome of the fella in the programme facing legal difficulties, if he uses the "Well Indica is not cannabis" argurment. I think he will be better off just saying he was producing medicine and trying to help people.
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i did see a guy from america who wants to do research he is a professor etc, he has a small research laboratory
and the us government will not even give him a licence to do research, he was taking it to court at the time, not sure of the outcome was some time ago

GW and sativex is in a very unique position worldwide legally, the american government allow it to be imported into their country, while all the profit from it
goes back to the uk government seems very fishy to me
you already have a similar products in the usa, http://tetralabs.com/ seems silly to have to import sativex

peace
 
skunkd0c said:
The law that allows GW pharmaceuticals http://www.gwpharm.com/
to supply domestically and export their product sativex all round the world is making huge profits for some shady characters

Why is the cannabis in Sativex legal?
The cannabis in Sativex is grown with permission from the UK Government, under highly controlled conditions.
Two different sorts of cannabis plant are used to make Sativex. Each plant is carefully selected to produce the same amount of active ingredients. Every vial of Sativex is manufactured to make sure it contains exactly the same balance of the active ingredients from each type of plant, to make an effective medicine.*Sativex is therefore a legal medicine when prescribed by specialist physicians.

i wonder why the American government has not given licences to some of its pharmaceutical friends if it did the USA could export cannabis legally to Mexico lol
without the United Nations making threats to America

sativex contains not just THC but all the components found in the plant itself, it is nothing more than a tincture .. how did the UK goverment get away with this, on an international scale ?

peace :)
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http://www.ukcia.org/medical/gwpharmaceuticals.php This is a very interesting read for those of us interested in how GW came about internationally selling sativex. The man behind it all is no less than sam the skunk man. The only man in the world to have a paitent on a cannabis strain, skunk#1
 
hmmm I seem to rememeber hearing somewhere that as cannabis has narocitc properties very little offical research is allow for the product. Apprantly that why there are alot of pro and cons arguements for medical use as no alot of official controlled studies have been donw
 
Erdnase said:
hmmm I seem to rememeber hearing somewhere that as cannabis has narocitc properties very little offical research is allow for the product. Apprantly that why there are alot of pro and cons arguements for medical use as no alot of official controlled studies have been donw
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If very little research is allowed for things with narcotic-type properties.. why are there so many classes (and schedules) of drugs that are pharma-based and allowed to be prescribed?
 
thats what I thought. I think they were talking about studies of illegal drugs for medicianal uses. I am trying to find the source now (apart from the forum, have only looked at a few cannabis related thing) and I will get back to you :)
 
The UK gov have given GW pharm a phase 3 testing licence. That means that they now have permission to roll the tests out to be done properly and controlled. They are now allowed to perform controlled experiments using sativex, the thc pills(forget the name) and placebo's. This is a move forward in my eyes, cos then if the test subjects swing towards the sativex and not the placebo's then that can only mean even further testing. Check clearUK's website they have a lot more info. Even sign up to become a member, all funds go towards the legal costs to help get what we want
@figong, The classifications are flawed too, Cannabis is classed as a schedule 1 drug which means no medical values....You know as much as i do that is bs, Thats why its very hard for any pharma company to get research licence
 
Hey all. I have just rewactched some stuff in effort to validate what I said! Not saying everyone disbelives me :P
First of in the programme mentioning "only sativa was cannabis" - I think the fella that suggested this although read directly from a book misunderstood what it meant. IT stated that any plant growing or dried of of the Cannabis Sativa L - this is when he interjected and said by that defination your werent growing cannabis. Well a quick look on google and what barnbuster wrote states the cannabis sativa L has two sub specie sativa and indica - so he was misunderstanding what was written :)

Secondly when I said as the drug had narcotic properties very offical researchs have been allowed. This is the exact quote :)
"Since cannabis has been schdeuled as a class one narcotic, worse than cocain. The federal goverenment limits studies into the plants use as a seizsure fighter"
Im not sure how accurate this is - but sounds rather extreme to me :)
 
Figong said:
If very little research is allowed for things with narcotic-type properties.. why are there so many classes (and schedules) of drugs that are pharma-based and allowed to be prescribed?
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For information about US Scheduling see the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. This wiki will pretty much give a rough overview:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act and here's the link to UK Scheduling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Drug_in_United_Kingdom
hth,
 
curious2garden said:
For information about US Scheduling see the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. This wiki will pretty much give a rough overview:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act and here's the link to UK Scheduling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Drug_in_United_Kingdom
hth,
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Am quite familiar with US Schedules, but it just doesn't make sense that little research is allowed for drugs with narcotic-type properties.. yet tons of pharma meds are allowed in circulation, and cannabis gets no chance (at this time, for the most part)
 
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