Injustice in Palestine
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That guy was an absolute mess. That last sentence was the only nice thing he said and was completely incongruent with everything prior.
A while ago you had mentioned how religion can foster a certain degree of narcissism in people and, at the risk of sounding anti-semitic, I've seen that the most by far from jews, probably stemming from being taught that they're the chosen people since birth. That shit is no good for you. And I thought americans specialized in meritless arrogance.
BudmanTX
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and he's outa there......knew this was coming......
www.cnn.com
now lets see if the new one is any better......
Israel's new prime minister is sworn in, ending Netanyahu's 12-year grip on power
Naftali Bennett was sworn in as Israel's new prime minister on Sunday, after winning a confidence vote with the narrowest of margins, just 60 votes to 59. His victory ends a 12-year grip on power by former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the country's longest-serving leader.
www.cnn.com
now lets see if the new one is any better......
no leader should be know as having 'grip on power'- he was one evil mother fvcker..wasn't it four elections i the last four years? guess Trump got the idea from him.and he's outa there......knew this was coming......
Israel's new prime minister is sworn in, ending Netanyahu's 12-year grip on power
Naftali Bennett was sworn in as Israel's new prime minister on Sunday, after winning a confidence vote with the narrowest of margins, just 60 votes to 59. His victory ends a 12-year grip on power by former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the country's longest-serving leader.
now lets see if the new one is any better......
BudmanTX
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i think so....think bump took the idea, from him and putin as well......12yr is too long......i think in that report they are gonna "try:" to set term limits and such
hanimmal
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/06/15/israel-gaza-airstrikes-hamas/
Israeli airstrikes struck Gaza in the early hours of Wednesday in retaliation for incendiary balloons that crossed into the country from Hamas-controlled territory — an exchange that highlights the fragility of a cease-fire in the region and poses a first test for Israel’s new government.
Israeli jets struck military compounds allegedly belonging to Hamas, the militant group that controls Gaza, according to an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) statement.
Hamas “is responsible for all events transpiring in the Gaza Strip, and will bear the consequences for its actions,” the IDF said. It said Israel was “prepared for any scenario, including a resumption of hostilities.”
There were no immediate reports of casualties from the airstrike. Israeli authorities reported that the incendiary balloons had sparked 20 fires near the Gaza border, according to Reuters.
Israel and Hamas have had a cease-fire since May 21, an agreement that followed 11 days of violence that left more than 240 Gazans — including 65 children — and 13 residents of Israel dead. While the worst communal violence in Israel has subsided since the Egypt-brokered accord took place, tensions remain high.
The truce quieted Israeli-Palestinian hostilities — but not the Jerusalem disputes that triggered them
Tuesday’s launch of balloons came as at least hundreds of ultranationalist demonstrators bearing Israeli flags marched into Jerusalem’s Old City, with some youths chanting, “Death to Arabs!” and “May your village burn,” according to the Associated Press.
Police had moved the procession to avoid the Muslim quarter of the city. Hamas called on Palestinians to “resist” the parade, which celebrates Israel’s capture of East Jerusalem in 1967, the Associated Press reported. Another march earlier this year, which was followed by Hamas rocket attacks, helped spark the recent 11-day conflict.
Foreign minister Yair Lapid condemned displays of extremism during Tuesday’s march, writing on Twitter that the “fact that there are extremist elements for whom the flag of Israel represents hate and racism is revolting and unforgivable.”
“It is incomprehensible that people can hold the Israeli flag in one hand and shout ‘Death to Arabs’ at the same time,” he added. “This isn’t Judaism or Israeliness, and it is definitely not what our flag symbolizes. These people are a disgrace to the nation of Israel.”
“The Zionist bombing of the Gaza Strip is a failed attempt to stop our people’s solidarity and resistance with the Holy City, and to cover up the unprecedented state of confusion for the Zionist establishment in organizing the so-called ‘flags march,’” said Hazim Qasem, a Hamas spokesman. “Our people and their valiant resistance will continue to defend our rights and sanctities until the occupier is expelled from our entire land.”
The airstrikes on Gaza came hours after IDF generals met to discuss the previous conflict.
“The situation in the Palestinian arena is volatile and we are preparing for the possibility of resumed hostilities,” said IDF Chief of General Staff Aviv Kochavi, according to an IDF news release.
The escalation also posed a significant challenge to the new government three days after Israel’s parliament replaced Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was in power for 12 years, with Naftali Bennett.
Gaza militants target Israel with party balloons bearing bombs
Before he took charge, Bennett made comments equating incendiary balloons to rocket strikes, according to the Jerusalem Post. He has expressed support for increased Jewish control over the al-Aqsa mosque compound, known by Jews as Temple Mount, in Jerusalem’s contested Old City.
The Palestinian Authority mission to the United Nations condemned Israel’s strikes on Twitter.
“After today’s provocative March of Israeli flags in occupied #Jerusalem, Israel is NOW bombing #Gaza (1:00 am local #Palestine time),” it tweeted. “It appears that [Israel] once again has violated international law and broken the terms of the ‘ceasefire.’”
Israel’s air force targeted at least one site east of the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis, according to the IDF.
BudmanTX
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smh....either side still hasn't learned anything,,,,,smh
TacoMac
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They've been at war for roughly 5,500 years. What did anyone expect?
BudmanTX
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actually the region has been at war for longer than that.....and honestly the jews, palestinian, and christian people have been living together in that region for a very long time in peace even during and after Ottoman rule during WW1.....this part really didn't get stoked till after WW2 and even during for a little bit...they just haven't learned........you don't mess with me, i won't mess with you lesson
Bagginski
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The 1619 Project is a good place to start…
The 1619 Project (Published 2019)
American slavery began 400 years ago this month. This is referred to as the country’s original sin, but it is more than that: It is the country’s true origin.
BudmanTX
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nice article.......but you need to prolly look further than that.......who first first off put them on the ship in the first place.....they're own peopleThe 1619 Project is a good place to start…
The 1619 Project (Published 2019)
American slavery began 400 years ago this month. This is referred to as the country’s original sin, but it is more than that: It is the country’s true origin.www.nytimes.com
k0rps
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The past, present and future of Hamas
The Palestinian group Hamas doesn’t fit neatly into the labels some try to fit it into — terrorist, freedom fighter, armed group, political party. On the anniversary of Hamas’s takeover of the Gaza Strip, we’re looking at the context that made the group what it is, and most importantly, how it...
art19.com
Podcast episode on Hamas and life in Gaza.
One person's statement about ending bloodshed: "I think, if we want to end the bloodshed, and, it's a very uneven conflict as we know.. But, if anyone really cares about ending the bloodshed, you have to understand the motivations of the people who do fight and continue to fight, despite all that's being stacked against them."
There is much more to the story, as other's have pointed out. Although, the scales seem to be tipped so much in Israel's favor. Even now, with Biden's statement a few days ago.
I just don't see how one could think Bennett, born to immigrants of San Francisco, CA, USA, is going to help the situation for Palestinians.
Bagginski
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I’ve learned to look askance at excuses for Israel donning the jackboot mentality…my disappointment in the state of Israel is vast and complex. No ethnic nations I’m aware of have claimed a straight-up ‘right’ to come back after a few thousand years, subvert, destabilize and capture control of the people who DID NOT throw them out in the first place…. Typically, we call that invasion and conquest: I guess “Never Again!!!” Has come to mean “unless *we* do it”. And of course, having driven out the people who’d been in situ since the diaspora, *those* refugees are specifically denied any ‘right of return’ to the land and homes taken from them by arms and terrorism.
And some have wondered about the attachment “conservatives” have to Israel…they’re waiting for the apocalypse…which is a truly great word for what’s going on in this world
hanimmal
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I am very happy to see that all of our communities are able to collect record, and have their histories heard. The way we have been teaching history classes (at least when I went to school 25-ish years ago (doubt things changed much) is more about building the ability to remember facts, which I never put the effort in to learn them, which is why I sucked as a student as a kid.The 1619 Project is a good place to start…
The 1619 Project (Published 2019)
American slavery began 400 years ago this month. This is referred to as the country’s original sin, but it is more than that: It is the country’s true origin.
As soon as people are buying and selling human beings I don't think there is much reason to think there is a difference.
America did not start slavery, but as soon as we became a new nation we continued it for about a century, let racism reign until far too recently to feel good about our history as a country.
Yeah man, the Jewish people were the last melanin-lite people to get genocided by other melanin-lite nations. That bought the Israeli's a lot of leeway with out nation I think.The past, present and future of Hamas
The Palestinian group Hamas doesn’t fit neatly into the labels some try to fit it into — terrorist, freedom fighter, armed group, political party. On the anniversary of Hamas’s takeover of the Gaza Strip, we’re looking at the context that made the group what it is, and most importantly, how it...
Podcast episode on Hamas and life in Gaza.
One person's statement about ending bloodshed: "I think, if we want to end the bloodshed, and, it's a very uneven conflict as we know.. But, if anyone really cares about ending the bloodshed, you have to understand the motivations of the people who do fight and continue to fight, despite all that's being stacked against them."
There is much more to the story, as other's have pointed out. Although, the scales seem to be tipped so much in Israel's favor. Even now, with Biden's statement a few days ago.
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I just don't see how one could think Bennett, born to immigrants of San Francisco, CA, USA, is going to help the situation for Palestinians.
The only thing is that Netanyahu was a full on dictator, so I have hope if we get through the next few years.
Bagginski
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Pardon, I think you have it backwards: people who want to own other people as livestock are more likely to find someone to provide those people, than those with people to sell are likely to drum up buyers through cold calls. Supply and demand, it’s the *demand* that motivates the supply…”who…put the on the ship in the first place” were THE BUYERS. It’s immaterial what the sellers thought was happening: the buyers - the ones who KNEW OR wanted to be SLAVEOWNERS - knew exactly what they had in mind, and they went about it with a clarity and efficiency that won Hitler’s deep admiration.
As for the slave traders being “they’re own people”, I doubt you know enough about the pre-colonial realities of Africa, either tribes or nations (I certainly don’t - but I’d love it if you do), to make that assessment: the Hutu-Tutsi genocide by itself ought to be enough to show that “Africans” don’t necessarily consider “Africans” their own people any more than Newt Gingrich considers *ME* his own people….
As for my needing to look further: did you notice that’s it’s a series of articles? If you only read the introduction, you prolly need to look further, too. Of course, the 1619 Project is a year old, maybe, but I started getting wise to racism and what was wrong with it 65+ years ago…that’s a long time to look further, and I’ve been using it.
BudmanTX
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i like the project.....but here: i've been reading about the Central African Republic lately, just learning about the area since the Volcano in the area blew it's top.....this was in it....
"During the 16th and 17th centuries slave traders began to raid the region as part of the expansion of the Saharan and Nile River slave routes. Their captives were enslaved and shipped to the Mediterranean coast, Europe, Arabia, the Western Hemisphere, or to the slave ports and factories along the West and North Africa or South along the Ubanqui and Congo rivers.[26][27] In the mid 19th century, the Bobangi people became major slave traders and sold their captives to the Americas using the Ubangi river to reach the coast.[28] During the 18th century Bandia-Nzakara Azande peoples established the Bangassou Kingdom along the Ubangi River.[27] In 1875, the Sudanese sultan Rabih az-Zubayr governed Upper-Oubangui, which included present-day CAR.[29]"
that's from here:
Central African Republic - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
now if you go to the slave trader link in there....ck this..
this is a map of the slave trade in africa......as early as of the 13th century it can be found here
History of slavery - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
and the idea of slavery is still happening today as we speak...
Bagginski
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Acknowledged - and thanks for the links!i like the project.....but here: i've been reading about the Central African Republic lately, just learning about the area since the Volcano in the area blew it's top.....this was in it....
"During the 16th and 17th centuries slave traders began to raid the region as part of the expansion of the Saharan and Nile River slave routes. Their captives were enslaved and shipped to the Mediterranean coast, Europe, Arabia, the Western Hemisphere, or to the slave ports and factories along the West and North Africa or South along the Ubanqui and Congo rivers.[26][27] In the mid 19th century, the Bobangi people became major slave traders and sold their captives to the Americas using the Ubangi river to reach the coast.[28] During the 18th century Bandia-Nzakara Azande peoples established the Bangassou Kingdom along the Ubangi River.[27] In 1875, the Sudanese sultan Rabih az-Zubayr governed Upper-Oubangui, which included present-day CAR.[29]"
that's from here:
Central African Republic - Wikipedia
now if you go to the slave trader link in there....ck this..
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this is a map of the slave trade in africa......as early as of the 13th century it can be found here
History of slavery - Wikipedia
and the idea of slavery is still happening today as we speak...
To expand on my thoughts for a minute…with NO argument from me about the inter-African practices of slaving and slave trading…the ANGLO desire for slaves from Africa arose because the Irish were being worked to death too quickly on the sugar plantations of Barbados: too hard, too hot for them - a better grade of livestock was required, and heat-tolerant Africans seemed like a better investment - so the transAtlantic slave trade was established, for the profit of British lords seeking their fortunes through enslavement of others in the Americas. WHATEVER Africa was doing internally, these people SOUGHT OUT SLAVETRADER…with the *intention* of working them to death.
Eventually, Barbados and the Indies islands filled up with plantations, and *new* plantation owners changed course, and landed in Charleston - which was not the first appearance of slavery here…but it was the beachhead from which the plantation system took hold, expanded, and gained power. With them, they brought the Barbados Slave Code, which provided the ‘legal’ framework for the brutal existence slaves endured in the slave-powered South.
If you aren’t familiar with the slave code, here’s the Wikipedia page:
Barbados Slave Code - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Interestingly, the wiki does not mention the *author* of the slave code itself…which would be the famous ‘philosopher’ John Locke, defender of “freedom and liberty”…but if you search <John Locke slave code> you’ll get any number of articles digging into the matter of Locke’s philosophy and his actual practices.
k0rps
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Israeli forces attack worshippers at Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron
A tour of Ibrahimi MosquePalestinians performed the Friday prayer in front of the mosque to protest against an Israeli construction plan.
13 Aug 2021
Israeli security forces used stun grenades to disperse a crowd of Muslim worshippers performing traditional Friday prayers outside the Ibrahimi Mosque in the occupied West Bank city of Hebron.
At least one person could be seen thrown onto the ground and kicked by Israeli forces. It was not immediately clear what sparked the violence.
Sheikh Hefzy Abu Sneina, director of the mosque, told Anadolu Agency that Palestinians responded to the invitation of the Ministry of Endowments and Religious Affairs to perform prayers at the mosque in defiance of Israel’s plans to go ahead with a construction plan that would change some of its features.
On Monday, the Israeli Defence Ministry said it has started a project at the mosque’s courtyards to build a route that directly links the parking area to the mosque and install an electric lift.
Palestinians see the construction as a way to take over the entire site – which is split into separate Jewish and Muslim areas – for Jewish visitors.
On Thursday, the Ministry of Endowments and Religious Affairs announced the closure of all the mosques in the city of Hebron and asked the worshippers to perform the Friday prayers at Ibrahimi Mosque as a “denouncement” of the Israeli occupation.
Abu Sneina said accepting the invitation to perform the Friday prayers in the mosque “shows Muslims’ affiliation with the Ibrahimi Mosque”.
Before the influx of worshippers to the mosque, the Israeli army added forces at its entrances, spreading iron berms in the courtyard and checking the identities of worshippers and journalists.
A witness told Anadolu the Israeli forces allowed the worshippers to enter the mosque one by one, resulting in congestion at the pre-existing barriers leading to the religious site.
Prayers in the mosque are usually subject to strict security restrictions as worshippers must pass several barriers and electronic gates before reaching the stairs leading to the place of prayer.
The holy site is revered by Jews and Muslims as the burial site of religious patriarchs. Jews revere the site as the Tomb of the Patriarchs, while Muslims call it the Ibrahimi Mosque, after the patriarch Abraham.
The site has been divided into Jewish and Muslim prayer areas since shortly after a settler opened fire on Muslim worshippers at the shrine in 1994, killing 29 people and wounding more than 100 others.
Hebron is a frequent flashpoint between settlers and Palestinians.
More than 200,000 Palestinians live in the city, along with several hundred ultranationalist Israeli settlers who live in the downtown area in heavily fortified enclaves protected by the military.
Israel captured the West Bank in the 1967 Middle East war and has established dozens of illegal settlements where nearly 500,000 settlers reside.
The Palestinians want the West Bank as part of their future state and view the illegal settlements as a major obstacle to resolving the conflict.
SOURCE: AL JAZEERA AND NEWS AGENCIES
k0rps
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A week ago, a 2½ yr old was gunned down by Israeli military by 'mistake'.
www.aljazeera.com
Now the West Bank is being colonized by illegal settlers.
abcnews.go.com
Israel says Palestinian toddler killed ‘unintentionally’
The two-year-old boy’s father called Israel’s initial investigation into his son’s killing a ‘cover-up’.
Israeli settlers torch Palestinian homes, cars to avenge deadly shooting
Hundreds of Israeli settlers stormed a Palestinian town in the occupied West Bank, setting fire to dozens of cars and homes to avenge the deaths of four Israelis killed by Palestinian gunmen the previous day