Injustice in Palestine

hanimmal

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The violence caused by Netanyahu and the people who sent rockets at Israel are being used to radicalize and/or triggering them into doing violence here.

And it is really not good for any of the people who are just going about their days become the objects of other's prejudices.
https://www.rawstory.com/anti-semitism-2653079813/
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On Saturday, the Department of Justice announced that Ali Alaheri, a Brooklyn man, is facing federal arson charges after allegedly setting fire to a synagogue and an attached school.

"In the pre-dawn hours of May 19, 2021, Alaheri was captured on surveillance video piling garbage bags against the side of a building on 36th Street in Brooklyn that housed a yeshiva (a Jewish school) and a synagogue," said the report. "Alaheri was recorded igniting the garbage bags. Firefighters responded to a fire alarm at the location and extinguished the blaze. Several hours later, Alaheri was again captured on surveillance video, this time repeatedly punching a man wearing traditional Hasidic garb. There was no interaction between Alaheri and the victim prior to the assault. When Alaheri was arrested on May 21, 2021, he appeared to be wearing the same clothing he was wearing in the video footage of the assault."

If Alaheri is convicted on federal charges, he faces up to 20 years in prison, with a mandatory minimum sentence of five years.

"This Office strongly condemns these sorts of intentional acts of violence and we will go to every length possible to prosecute this type of conduct to the fullest extent possible," said acting U.S. Attorney Mark Lesko, further calling the attack "a violent hatred that cannot be tolerated."

You can read more here.

The comments.
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k0rps

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Also do you think that those videos are a fair representative of all the Jewish people? I know I can cherry pick racists all day long and show videos about their fucked up views.
Absolutely not. Many loving & intelligent people exist from all ethnicities and backgrounds. Like mentioned before, I believe most humans want to live peacefully.

A POV from a visitor in Palestine. Dakota of the Earth shares his experience and interviews some locals. Worth a watch if you have time. :peace:
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And, I apologize for the lapse in time.. These events have been weighing heavy on my heart and I had to step back from this conversation.
 

hanimmal

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Absolutely not. Many loving & intelligent people exist from all ethnicities and backgrounds. Like mentioned before, I believe most humans want to live peacefully.

A POV from a visitor in Palestine. Dakota of the Earth shares his experience and interviews some locals. Worth a watch if you have time. :peace:
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And, I apologize for the lapse in time.. These events have been weighing heavy on my heart and I had to step back from this conversation.
It is shitty how things are going over there, and knowing that it is not changing unless everyone starts to elect non-dictator leadership.

I think there is a comparison to be made of how our minority communities were treated in the post ww2 era it was very similar to how it is now in Israel for the Palestinians.

Except here the white people instead of building walls, built the suburbs and used Highways to divide up areas.

If anyone ever is curious check out this timeline of pictures from the Detroit police department over the years:
https://www.detroitnews.com/picture-gallery/news/local/michigan-history/2015/01/30/detroit-police-on-patrol-since-1865/22506585/

And while you are looking at the expansion/militarization of the police, understand that around 1916 is when black people (can't think of what that old lady said to call people enough to use it, but I do think she is onto something, melanin something for white people, because the whole language around how we describe kind tone comes from loaded terms designed to separate us) started moving into Detroit for the jobs that were advertised in the south.

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In 1948 Ford opened up the Dearborn plant (just outside of the city limits) and the suburbanization/white flight was on.

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So in the early 1900's Detroit was pretty much white. You see that it was policed by some bobbies with clubs.

By the time black people start moving in it is time to build a headquarters.


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Then after WW2 the police got militarized in Detroit. Just in time for all that white flight to the burbs. Where funny story our local taxes do not go to the city of Detroit (unless you work there) so all that money militarizing the Detroit PD was drawing from all the money to do things like improve the schools like those shiny new suburban schools were able to do over the decades.

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And as everyone with money (and could get a house/job in the suburbs (which meant they had to be white)) left the city and the poor folks from the south that moved in the police started dropping beatings.

1950-70's Detroit is what I think compares with the people in the Gaza strip today (although the weaponry is vastly different). Black people were completely being occupied by the White suburban folks and kept in a similar sized area for as long as possible.

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And by the time white people moved out the police pretty much became an occupying force until our civil rights era which took place in the late 60's and even then still took decades to actually push back on businesses and white citizens from actively discriminating against minorities enough to get to where we have one political party that is made up of 100% of our population.

And this is not me saying that all police are bad or there are not very real reasons that police have to worry and be quick to shoot (https://www.rollitup.org/t/police-interactions.994222/post-15717913)

And about 25% of our population freaked the hell out and that was how we ended up in a place that we actually elected Trump in 2016 by using things like bullshit racist trolling like this (https://www.rollitup.org/t/qanon-cultists-get-banned.1024974/post-15682851).



Hopefully Israel and the Palestinians figure it out faster than we have.
 
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BudmanTX

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hanimmal

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Actually we can go further back than the 60's. Think the Japanese during the WW2, and further back than that The Native Americans the injustices of them too.....
Very true, I was thinking just along the lines of being able to see people talking about their racism like that. I didn't think about the Japanese people during WW2 though, that was recent enough that there might have been people talking about that recorded.
 

BudmanTX

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Very true, I was thinking just along the lines of being able to see people talking about their racism like that. I didn't think about the Japanese people during WW2 though, that was recent enough that there might have been people talking about that recorded.
think if i am right some of the records are still available and some of the concentration sites are still around too....
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-world-news-middle-east-benjamin-netanyahu-naftali-bennett-e96cc15e2474658e271e373cd4d6aeda
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TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s opponents pushed Thursday for a quick parliament vote to formally end his lengthy rule, hoping to head off any last-minute attempts to derail their newly announced coalition government.

The latest political maneuvering began just hours after opposition leader Yair Lapid and his main coalition partner, Naftali Bennett, declared they had reached a deal to form a new government and muster a majority in the 120-member Knesset, or parliament.

READ MORE: Naftali Bennett is Netanyahu’s former protege, now poised to become successor

The coalition consists of eight parties from across the political spectrum with little in common except the shared goal of toppling Netanyahu after a record-setting 12 years in power. The alliance includes hardliners previously allied with Netanyahu, as well as center-left parties and even an Arab faction — a first in Israeli politics.

Netanyahu lashed out at his foes on Thursday, signaling that he will continue to exert pressure on former allies who joined the coalition. “All members of Knesset who were elected with right-wing votes need to oppose this dangerous leftist government,” he wrote on Twitter.

The drama riveted Israelis at a time when tumult has not been in short supply: four inconclusive elections in two years followed by an 11-day war in the Gaza Strip last month that was accompanied by mob violence between Jews and Arabs in cities across the country. The country also is emerging from the coronavirus crisis that caused deep economic damage and exposed tensions between the secular majority and the ultra-Orthodox minority.

Yet the political debate has focused squarely on Netanyahu, who is facing corruption charges — and whether he should stay or go.

“We never had a coalition like this,” said Hillel Bar Sadeh at a coffee shop in Jerusalem. “We like to have a new spirit, we like to have some unity.”
The owner of the coffee shop, Yosi Zarifi, said he trusts that Netanyahu will return to power — and distrusts the coalition.

“Everybody is clear that this trick will not last, there won’t be any glue (to keep it together) here,” he said.

The anti-Netanyahu bloc announced the coalition deal just before a deadline at midnight Wednesday. The agreement triggered a complex process that is likely to stretch over the next week.

The coalition has a razor-thin majority of 61 votes in parliament. Now the question is whether the group’s votes will hold together in order to name a new parliament speaker, who would then preside over a vote required to confirm the new government.

If the group can’t manage that, the current speaker, who is a Netanyahu ally, could use his position to delay the vote and give Netanyahu more time to sabotage the coalition.

As the coalition was coming together in recent days, Netanyahu and his supporters ramped up a pressure campaign against former hawkish allies, including Bennett and his No. 2 in the Yamina party, Ayelet Shaked.

Netanyahu accused them of betraying their values. His supporters launched vicious social media campaigns and staged noisy protests outside Shaked’s home. The prime minister’s Likud party also called for a demonstration Thursday night outside the home of Yamina lawmaker Nir Orbach, urging him to quit the coalition.

That’s a taste of the pressure to be expected for lawmakers on the right. And some on the left now have time to think about whether they will pay for this partnership in the next election.

“There will be a lot of pressure, especially on right-wingers, especially for religious right-wingers,” said Gideon Rahat, a political science professor at
Hebrew University. “They will go to the synagogue and people will pressure them. It will be a nightmare for some of them.”

Netanyahu and his supporters called a meeting later Thursday to discuss their next steps.

Under the coalition agreement, Lapid and Bennett will split the job of prime minister in a rotation.

Bennett, a former ally of Netanyahu, is to serve the first two years, while Lapid is to serve the final two years — though it is far from certain their fragile coalition will last that long.

The historic deal also includes a small Islamist party, the United Arab List, which would make it the first Arab party ever to be part of a governing coalition.
 

BudmanTX

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i read that yesterday on CNN......time to get ride of this war monger.....

love the last line in that report too....

"The historic deal also includes a small Islamist party, the United Arab List, which would make it the first Arab party ever to be part of a governing coalition. "

They should bring more Arab parties in.....
 

k0rps

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Powerful. Thanks for sharing, hannimal. A little disappointing how it ended with Nadav, and the contradictory definition of Zionism. Sam brought up so many valid points that could have been addressed, but about voting rights especially. Israelis have the right to vote in the leaders in the Knesset who write laws and politicians into power. Palestinians do not have that right..
 

k0rps

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Will a change in power give Palestinians their freedom? Some think not.

‘No difference’: Palestinians react to Israeli coalition deal

Many Palestinians are sceptical that a change in the Israeli government due to replace PM Benjamin Netanyahu will improve their lives.

3 Jun 2021

Many Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza have dismissed a change in the Israeli government, saying the nationalist leader due to replace Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would likely pursue the same right-wing agenda.

Naftali Bennett, the 49-year-old former head of Israel’s main West Bank settler organisation and ex-Netanyahu ally, would be the country’s new leader under a patchwork coalition.


Opposition and centrist leader Yair Lapid of Yesh Atid and Bennett declared on Wednesday night they had reached a deal to form a new government to unseat the incumbent Netanyahu after a 12-year run as prime minister.

Bassem al-Salhi, a representative of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), said the prime minister-designate was no less extreme than Netanyahu.


“He will make sure to express how extreme he is in the government,” he said.

Bennett has been a strong advocate of annexing parts of the West Bank that Israel captured and occupied in a 1967 war.


However, in recent days Bennett appeared to propose a continuation of the status quo, with some easing of conditions for Palestinians.

“My thinking in this context is to shrink the conflict. We will not resolve it. But wherever we can [improve conditions] – more crossing points, more quality of life, more business, more industry – we will do so.”

‘We need a serious change’

Hamas, the group which rules the besieged Gaza Strip, said it made no difference who governs Israel.

“Palestinians have seen dozens of Israeli governments throughout history, right, left, centre, as they call it. But all of them have been hostile when it comes to the rights of our Palestinian people and they all had hostile policies of expansionism,” spokesman Hazem Qassem said.

Sami Abou Shehadeh, leader of the Palestinian nationalist Balad Party, told Al Jazeera from occupied East Jerusalem the issue was not the “personality” of Netanyahu but the policies Israel pursues.

“What we need is a serious change in Israeli policies, not in the personalities. The situation was very bad before Netanyahu, and as long as Israel insists on its own policies, it will continue to being bad after Netanyahu. This is why we oppose this government [new coalition].”

Former member of the executive committee of the PLO Hanan Ashrawi said the Netanyahu years still had “built-in systems of racism, extremism, violence and lawlessness”.

“His former cohorts will maintain his legacy,” she tweeted.

Similar sentiments were voiced elsewhere.

“There is no difference between one Israeli leader and another,” Ahmed Rezik, 29, a government worker in Gaza, told Reuters news agency.

“They are good or bad for their nation. And when it comes to us, they are all bad, and they all refuse to give the Palestinians their rights and their land.”

The coalition agreement capped a March 23 election in which neither Netanyahu’s Likud party and its allies nor their opponents won a majority in the legislature. It was Israel’s fourth national ballot in two years.

The governing lineup comprises a patchwork of small and medium-sized parties from across the political spectrum

The deal includes the United Arab List, which would make it the first party of Palestinian citizens of Israel ever to be part of a governing coalition in Israel.

United Arab List’s leader Mansour Abbas has cast aside differences with Bennett, and said he hopes to improve conditions for Palestinian citizens who complain of discrimination and government neglect.

“We decided to join the government in order to change the balance of political forces in the country,” the 47-year-old said in a message to supporters after signing the coalition agreement.

Abbas’s party said the agreement includes the allocation of more than 53 billion shekels ($16bn) to improve infrastructure and combat violent crime.

It also includes provisions freezing demolition of homes built without permits in Palestinian villages and granting official status to Bedouin towns in the Negev Desert, a stronghold for support, the party said.

But he has been criticised in the West Bank and Gaza for siding with what they see as the enemy.

“What will he do when they ask him to vote on launching a new war on Gaza?” said Badri Karam, 21, in Gaza.

“Will he accept it, being a part of the killing of Palestinians?”


SOURCE: AL JAZEERA, REUTERS

I hope and pray to see change for the betterment of all humans. I am and We Are.

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And,,
We are Hurting.
 
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