imho hydro sucks

bdt1981

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I use dry nutrients. Specifically three parts. Part A = micronutrient blend, part B = calcium nitrate, part c = monopotassium phosphate.

Probably the reason for things lacking in liquid nutrients is because some things don't get along or get along too good. I know that when dissolved calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate don't play nice together if the concentrations are too strong, they will bind together and form gypsum.

The stuff I use is as inexpensive as it gets. Been growing great weed with it for years and never any deficiencies regardless of growing method. I use the same stuff in my garden, container flowers, houseplants, etc... Everything is growing great. Good nutrients for your plants don't have to be expensive or complicated.
I agree. Thats why i tell beginners who are just tyingh to grow their first plants that a dry 15-30-15 at 1/3 to 1/2 strength will work. ( since that is what i did with my very first. Some the most dense nugs u ever saw for a beginner under 400watt.
 

bdt1981

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I use dry nutrients. Specifically three parts. Part A = micronutrient blend, part B = calcium nitrate, part c = monopotassium phosphate.

Probably the reason for things lacking in liquid nutrients is because some things don't get along or get along too good. I know that when dissolved calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate don't play nice together if the concentrations are too strong, they will bind together and form gypsum.

The stuff I use is as inexpensive as it gets. Been growing great weed with it for years and never any deficiencies regardless of growing method. I use the same stuff in my garden, container flowers, houseplants, etc... Everything is growing great. Good nutrients for your plants don't have to be expensive or complicated.
I agree. Thats why i tell beginners who are just tyingh to grow their first plants that a dry 15-30-15 at 1/3 to 1/2 strength will work. ( since that is what i did with my very first. Some the most dense nugs u ever saw for a beginner under 400watt.
You absolutely cannot get sweetness levels from direct injection like you can in organic digestion. Those who try make me laugh, their bud becomes Budcandy, or "Billies basement res" which is shit smoke tainted and homogenized with products and methodologies, not the strain they grew.

Hydro growers do not have taste buds. Or they don't smoke. Only 2 options. No other reason someone would grow the shit. If their customers get ahold of real bud they lose their job, thats literally the only defense from the hydro argument.
Lot of the issues with taste is from improper curing or not harvesting at the right time. I agree that the same plant grown in soil or hydro will def be different.
 

bdt1981

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Peters 15-30-15 nutrient at 1/3 to 1/2 strength. Found in my moms garage. Tap water didnt test ph 1 time. Miricle grow soil half perlite. Started seeds in box with 2ft t12 flourecent keeping fresh air circuclating constantly. Flowered with a 400 hps in my sliding glass closet door witjh a 16inch head part of an osscillating fansitting in the doorway sucking air out of my closet. Walmart timer. Found 7 seeds in some kill bud all were female think diff strains but maybe diff phenos. Also flowered the worlds smallest cutting that i put stem downward with on 2 tiny leaves from a new shoot. The smallest amount u can top off a plant to get it topped. It flowered into a hotdog size single bud. Lol. My first shot at cloning. I remembered reading about the sea of green method back in like 96-97 that i got inside a hightimes mag and how it said to clone. Except i had no rooting powder.
I gave growing a shot when was 15 under a blacklight or window. Streched 5 nodes then trash. Built first box when wa s 16 inside foil covered 2ft t12 reggie seed. Miracle grow no timer only by hand. Saw the first trich covered calax. Started chasing girls to much and let it get away. That was when i first saw hermaphrodite info to. But the sea of green pamphlet that came with hightimes "the sea of green" single stocked buds. Owning an hps or mh was a dream. Wasnt hip to ballasts just knew it took one and they were over 100 bucks. Thats when my dream started of making money growing weed. Never thought would be able to do it legally.

Lol. Dammm i just had a crazy flashback. Deja vu type.. Haha nevermind. Now my day is here. Im so excited that i cant stand it. Finally got my building permit approved today... Will be up and running plants in the ground within 3 weeks.
 

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bdt1981

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If the nutrients you use have adequate amounts you don't need any additional. The type of light isn't going to matter. HPS, MH, T5's, outdoors in the sun. I've never used calmag and I don't think lighting such as CMH or LED is going to require adding additional calmag with what I'm already feeding. A plant only needs so much. I also use tap water as well which will have calcium in it. CMH and LED are not going to require any additional with the nutrients I use. The nutrients I use have calcium nitrate as the main nitrogen source and the micronutrient part is 2% magnesium sulphate. I've looked at the labeling on most popular fancy expensive nutrients and they don't have near the amount of calcium and magnesium as the nutrients I use. Add the fact that many people are using RO water and you end up with low amounts of calcium.[/QUO.i first learned only to use cal mag if u use ro water. When started ebb n flo. That was the rule. Of course we used a hydro logic 100. Holland secret nutes and calimagic. Tried some bloombastic all the floro extras foliular spray. Lol. All that extra is not needed or going to do anything to make a difference. Prob more bad than good. We just never had sick plants. Follow directions. Only time i expirenced yellowing is when i gave lucas formula a try. I do not like it and its retarded to use a product designed spacifically to work best when used in part a b and c combined any other way. Using 2 of 3 at higher ratios u still use the same amount of nutes if not more with lucas.
 

KhanTheOG

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Maybe not considered 100% hydro but definitely not soil is coco and blumats. It's basically a gravity fed drip type system with no runoff so no wasted nutrients. I reuse the coco more than once as well. I can fill five 3 gallon fabric pots with one 5kg bag of coco for $17. That's $3.40 a pot and since I typically use the coco twice that drops down to $1.70 a pot for the grow medium. For nutrients I use inexpensive VitaGrow which is just calcium nitrate, MKP, a micronutient blend and dirt cheap. It costs me less than $10 in nutrients for an entire grow start to finish. So $2.00 per plant for nutrients and $1.70 per plant for coco and the cost is under $4.00 per plant for a grow. That's going to be much less than both hydro and soil growers growing indoors under lights. I didn't include the costs for electricity, lights, pots, misc, etc... because those costs are the same as soil and hydro growers growing indoors under lights in a tent or grow room. I also do take advantage of outdoor light and put the plants outside weather permitting while in veg before they go into the flower tent and I setup the blumats.

There is debate as to whether coco is actually hydro but in my opinion it's a hybrid and if done properly is less expensive than both hydro or soil unless you're growing outside in the ground in natural soil under the sun. Which some people do and get excellent results. But that depends on the native soil they're growing in.

Coco + blumats is probably one of the most inexpensive and easiest ways to grow. I've done multiple types of hydro and have grown in soil. Once I started growing in 100% coco with blumats I never looked back. This method of growing goes against most of what people are told you need to do when growing in coco. For instance, no runoff. People think you need to water to runoff daily with coco or else you'll get salt buildup. You don't. Feed at a low EC and you're fine. The nutrient companies have people overfeeding their plants and that's what causes salt buildups. They say you have to use CalMag. You don't and I never do. In fact I have never purchased a CalMag product in my life. There is plenty of both in VitaGrow. There should be enough calcium and magnesium in any nutrient line to begin with. The fact that it isn't shows how the nutrient companies are purposely leaving it out so they can sell another bottle of product. But that's an entire topic on it's own.

Anyway, since this is more a less hydro vs soil thread I just thought I would throw out a hybrid type of growing that I think many people might be interested in looking into.

3 gallon fabric pots, 100% coco coir, VitaGrow nutrients, blumat watering system, 600 watt HPS, 4 x 4 tent, 4 - 5 weeks into flower (guestimate). No runoff or CalMag for the entire grow.

bongsmilie

How many ppm you feed for this?
 

KhanTheOG

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Maybe not considered 100% hydro but definitely not soil is coco and blumats. It's basically a gravity fed drip type system with no runoff so no wasted nutrients. I reuse the coco more than once as well. I can fill five 3 gallon fabric pots with one 5kg bag of coco for $17. That's $3.40 a pot and since I typically use the coco twice that drops down to $1.70 a pot for the grow medium. For nutrients I use inexpensive VitaGrow which is just calcium nitrate, MKP, a micronutient blend and dirt cheap. It costs me less than $10 in nutrients for an entire grow start to finish. So $2.00 per plant for nutrients and $1.70 per plant for coco and the cost is under $4.00 per plant for a grow. That's going to be much less than both hydro and soil growers growing indoors under lights. I didn't include the costs for electricity, lights, pots, misc, etc... because those costs are the same as soil and hydro growers growing indoors under lights in a tent or grow room. I also do take advantage of outdoor light and put the plants outside weather permitting while in veg before they go into the flower tent and I setup the blumats.

There is debate as to whether coco is actually hydro but in my opinion it's a hybrid and if done properly is less expensive than both hydro or soil unless you're growing outside in the ground in natural soil under the sun. Which some people do and get excellent results. But that depends on the native soil they're growing in.

Coco + blumats is probably one of the most inexpensive and easiest ways to grow. I've done multiple types of hydro and have grown in soil. Once I started growing in 100% coco with blumats I never looked back. This method of growing goes against most of what people are told you need to do when growing in coco. For instance, no runoff. People think you need to water to runoff daily with coco or else you'll get salt buildup. You don't. Feed at a low EC and you're fine. The nutrient companies have people overfeeding their plants and that's what causes salt buildups. They say you have to use CalMag. You don't and I never do. In fact I have never purchased a CalMag product in my life. There is plenty of both in VitaGrow. There should be enough calcium and magnesium in any nutrient line to begin with. The fact that it isn't shows how the nutrient companies are purposely leaving it out so they can sell another bottle of product. But that's an entire topic on it's own.

Anyway, since this is more a less hydro vs soil thread I just thought I would throw out a hybrid type of growing that I think many people might be interested in looking into.

3 gallon fabric pots, 100% coco coir, VitaGrow nutrients, blumat watering system, 600 watt HPS, 4 x 4 tent, 4 - 5 weeks into flower (guestimate). No runoff or CalMag for the entire grow.

bongsmilie

Do you ever have to use mycorrhizae and or beneficial organism additives? Any issues with root rot?
 

xtsho

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Do you ever have to use mycorrhizae and or beneficial organism additives? Any issues with root rot?
I have never used any of that with coco or hydro as it's not needed. The only time I add any type of microbes is with organic soil and then it's microbes I cultivate myself. I've never paid for or used any commercial microbe additive product in decades of growing.

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Forgot to add that I have never experienced root rot when growing in coco.
 
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