I need better soil

Ok.. So here's my dilema.. Ive been using shitty miracle grow, and I really wanna switch.. But I don't want anymore shitty soil from home depot or lowes.. Can you order soil online?? if not. I hear Scott's soil is descent... I need something with no nutrients Im sure, so i can control everything that the plant gets. let me know what you all think.

courtcourt420 said:

Ok.. So here's my dilema.. Ive been using shitty miracle grow, and I really wanna switch.. But I don't want anymore shitty soil from home depot or lowes.. Can you order soil online?? if not. I hear Scott's soil is descent... I need something with no nutrients Im sure, so i can control everything that the plant gets. let me know what you all think.

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I could give you much more help if you were in the same country as me lol but there is this place and its based in florida, if i got the place where you come from right lol

Simply Hydroponics - Growing Mediums

Lol yeah you're right.. I just looked up retailers for Fox farm.. and there are some nurseries that sell it about 2 hours away from me.. So i mean I could make the drive. What do you think about fox farm? any suggestions.

Foxfarms soils contain nutes already, your just looking for decent soil really, non enriched, could you not get some decent quality stuff at a normal garden centre

Do you use soil or hydro?

I use hydro but the reason I am saying what I have said is based solely on what you have said so far. You want a soil without nutes so that you can control what goes in there, best place to pick something up like would probably be an ordinary garden centre.

You won't be sorry if you use Ocean Forest. It's definitely a lot more money than the MG, Scotts, etc...but man...pot loves this shit and your plants will simply go nuts in it. In the end, a $100 outlay of cash for 5 bags will set you up for a few grows and will certainly make your plants rock n roll (buy a 4 cu ft bag of perlite at HD to mix with the OF and it'll go a long way)

good luck

bt dt

yeah Ive been reading about it all over the place. What would be better the soil with no nutes or organics nongreenthumb? Im just trying to figure out what would be best for my plants.. So far, Im just not happy with my yields..

Well its entirely up to you, I cant speak for foxfarms all I can speak for is my own personal views on how i would like to do things and I personally would prefer to know exactly whats going on in the soil. I see all kinds of soil growers getting through the first stage of the grow fine, because the soil is still heavily enriched, but once you get to that flowering stage, people are unsure of how much to put in whats already in, you see lots of soil growers getting lots of yellow leaves on the lower part of the plant. I'm not saying this is the way with everyone but you have to have a good amount of experience to know what and when to put in. If you had nothing in there to begin with, you could track the progress better and quicker because you could align it with the nutes you had put in.

Have you considered a soil-less mix?

Good advice....

I killed two seedlings with Miracle Grow time released fert soil....I swithced to Miracle Grow Organic and my plants are loving it. No added nutes in that soil.

you could try growing in coconut fibres my friends brother swears by them

I grew in Fox Farms last time and it didn't do me wrong my I guess. If I were to go back to soil I would just get soil-less mix. That way you don't have to worry about nutes. Just mix it with some perlite (about 1/3 perlite) and you should be ready to go. No worries about nutes and you're in the drivers seat. Should be able to find that anywhere and it's cheap.

honestly.. i don't care what we use just something better then miracle grow! I mean you're exactly right, it was fine all the way through veg and most of flowering.. and then, boom, defficiency.. Im gonna have to drive for a while to find a good nursery. we dont have anything here. So im sure they will have lots of options.

No added nutes in that soil.

No added chemical nutes like Miracle Grow's other products..but according to their website, there's "added organic and natural fertilizers" in both the potting mix and the gardsen mix. They don't say WHAt those aare..but I seem to remember seeing blood meal/bone meal as the ferts that are added into these mixes. Another thing that FREAKED me out..and this may be an isolated event..was that at my Home Depot when I got near the pallet that had this organic mix on it there was a huge SWARM of fungus gnats all over it...

Ocean forest definitely has somer guano/worm castings/nutes in it. For sSMALL seedlings you often have to be careful with it. However, when they take off, they take off...and to me, this mix has all you need (minus some beneficials and microbes) for a few weeks of early growth..and that growth in this soil for me has always set my plants up for success. No over fertin'..no under fertin'...just lush growth.

Sunshine #4 mix with some added perlite is also a well-tested meduim. You can sccore a HUGE 3.8 cu ft bale of it for under $30 most places...and it'll make a bunch pots full of mix.

coco needs perlite in the mix...but it works well. It's a bit harder to source for most folks..and evryone should be aware that not all coco is the SAME. some is rinsed well...some is still full of salt. If you don't FLUSH the coco...you may find out the hard way that the salt content is high enough to kill yer plants. Use name brands....Botanicare is supposedly well washed... and stuff called Royal Gold is supposedly the pinnacle coco fibre for pot. If you see this stuff..BUY IT.

lotsa choices..just gotta read the labels and be aware of what's in em.

good luck

bt dt

Hey man, go to a normal garden center, get some desert sand.small bag and get some non enriched soil that seems not to heavy, perlite or vermiculite, or both and mix..the trick is to make a medium that provides aeration but also holds water so root and bud rot wont be a problem.. pot loves sand, vermiculite, perlite and soil.