HPS Vs Floro Vs LED

Sunbiz1

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High all, and Merry Christmas!.

I have been growing with lots of CFL's until recently, then I added 2 HPS 600's at a second location. This has given me the opportunity to do some comparison in vegetative growth thus far. When using 400W actual of CFL, my vegetative growth rate has been 50% less than the HPS 600. So basically, both are pretty close overall when taking into account the wattage differential.

This was a pleasant surprise, due to the obvious energy savings of CFL lighting. However, I had always been under the impression that CFL's emit zero UV/UVB spectrums. Then I ran across this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp

"According to the European Commission Scientific Committee on Emerging and Newly Identified Health Risks (SCENIHR) in 2008, CFLs may pose an added health risk due to the ultraviolet and blue light emitted. This radiation could aggravate symptoms in people who already suffer skin conditions that make them exceptionally sensitive to light. The light produced by some single-envelope CFLs at distances of less than 20 cm could lead to ultraviolet exposures approaching the current workplace limit set to protect workers from skin and retinal damage. Industry sources claim the UV radiation received from CFLs is too small to contribute to skin cancer and the use of double-envelope CFLs "largely or entirely" mitigates any other risks.[SUP][48][/SUP]".

So the question is, do CFL's produce enough ultraviolet to compare with an HPS?...and I have zero experience with LED's. How do they stack up against the competition for maximum cannabanoid production?.

Peace!
 

Trousers

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I have grown with both and in my opinion cfl/fluorescent light weed is not even close to as good as HID weed.
CFL weed seems to have a weird spiky texture. I don't even veg with them any more.

I've never tried led and do not plan on doing so.
 

Saldaw

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reptile cfls 10.0 uvb = perfect for you at a petstore near you

also i belive HPS produces no UV, metal halides however do produce quite alot of Uvb
 

Sunbiz1

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reptile cfls 10.0 uvb = perfect for you at a petstore near you

also i belive HPS produces no UV, metal halides however do produce quite alot of Uvb
You're right, after further research it appears CFL's actually emit more UV light than HPS and MH is definitely king on the radiation output.
 

justanotherbozo

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I have grown with both and in my opinion cfl/fluorescent light weed is not even close to as good as HID weed.
CFL weed seems to have a weird spiky texture. I don't even veg with them any more.

I've never tried led and do not plan on doing so.
CFL buds are just fine, you just can't grow tall plants because CFLs aren't intense enough to penetrate the canopy.

...also, while the buds might not be as dense as HPS buds, they are just as tasty and just as potent.

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...these were all grown under nothing but CFLs.

bozo
 

althor

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CFL buds are just fine, you just can't grow tall plants because CFLs aren't intense enough to penetrate the canopy.

...also, while the buds might not be as dense as HPS buds, they are just as tasty and just as potent.

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...these were all grown under nothing but CFLs.

bozo
Have you done any side by sides with MH/HPS to get a comparison? Not compared to other growers using HPS/MH but something you have grown yourself.
 

justanotherbozo

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Have you done any side by sides with MH/HPS to get a comparison? Not compared to other growers using HPS/MH but something you have grown yourself.
no i haven't and that is a fair question but once i upgraded to HPS i stopped using the fluoro's for anything but vegging, with the caveat that i sometimes do a small seedrun in my closet under the CFLs.

...what i have done is flower the same strain under both, just not side by side, and there is no argument that HPS will give you a better crop, certainly more bountiful, i'm just not convinced the buds are more potent, just more dense and like i said, bigger.

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peace, bozo
 

fishindog

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no i haven't and that is a fair question but once i upgraded to HPS i stopped using the fluoro's for anything but vegging, with the caveat that i sometimes do a small seedrun in my closet under the CFLs.

...what i have done is flower the same strain under both, just not side by side, and there is no argument that HPS will give you a better crop, certainly more bountiful, i'm just not convinced the buds are more potent, just more dense and like i said, bigger.

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peace, bozo
This one is a male.....looks like it has already released some sacs and has pollinated your crop....
 

PJ Diaz

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I think he knows that, hence the subtitles describing the cross in the second pic you quoted.
 

justanotherbozo

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no i haven't and that is a fair question but once i upgraded to HPS i stopped using the fluoro's for anything but vegging, with the caveat that i sometimes do a small seedrun in my closet under the CFLs.

...what i have done is flower the same strain under both, just not side by side, and there is no argument that HPS will give you a better crop, certainly more bountiful, i'm just not convinced the buds are more potent, just more dense and like i said, bigger.

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peace, bozo
This one is a male.....looks like it has already released some sacs and has pollinated your crop....
that second pic of full of seeds
you learn a LOT more if you actually read the posts instead of just lookin' at the pictures.

...and the second pic is the daddy, the others are some buds dusted with his pollen.

bozo
 

Sunbiz1

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CFL buds are just fine, you just can't grow tall plants because CFLs aren't intense enough to penetrate the canopy.

...also, while the buds might not be as dense as HPS buds, they are just as tasty and just as potent.

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...these were all grown under nothing but CFLs.

bozo
Have you tried using CFL's at various heights to penetrate that canopy during veg?. I don't use fixtures, but rather surround plants individually top to bottom.
 

justanotherbozo

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Have you tried using CFL's at various heights to penetrate that canopy during veg?. I don't use fixtures, but rather surround plants individually top to bottom.
no i haven't tried it personally but i know it would work just fine.

...here's a link to a grow you may find interesting and while he's using PLLs and not common CFLs, they ARE still fluoro's and a perfect way to utilize the technique you describe.

"the high-pod"

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peace, bozo
 

Sunbiz1

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no i haven't tried it personally but i know it would work just fine.

...here's a link to a grow you may find interesting and while he's using PLLs and not common CFLs, they ARE still fluoro's and a perfect way to utilize the technique you describe.

"the high-pod"

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peace, bozo
I use closet corners in that fashion by surrounding on 3 sides as well.

But I already supplement CFL's with actual sunlight year-round, the glass in one home is original from 1906...20 years before sunglasses were even invented let alone energy efficient glass. For this reason, I cannot really do a comparison study of CFL at location 1 Vs. HPS at location 2 due to that variable.

TY 4/the link.

Peace
 

polyarcturus

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all lights can be used efficiently, i can grow the same kind of buds, dense thick and potent under t12s as well as HPS, what plays into this the most, is the way you grow the plant.

to the guy(s7m) about UVB coming from a CMH, it does not produce it, the glass used does not allow it. email phillips if you dont believe me.

@ trousers, i think you joking, in fact i hope your joking.

im doing side by side MH/HPS comparison right now, but using vert setups.
 

polyarcturus

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oh and the issue with CFLs is not UVB although they have been known to emit some when the bulbs are brand new during the burn in period, they for the most part emit a far amount of UVA and a lot of blue (420-460nm in particular has to do with the melatonin suppression in humans) this is the true concern with cfls not uv.
 

Sunbiz1

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OK, I actually do have a few comparison pics. and don't laugh at my ghetto CFL rig:lol:...it's temporary until Spring at which time I go back outdoors.

The CFL is running 500 *actual watts while the other location is utilizing a 600W HPS(18" ht.). These are both caramel candy kush started from seed at the same time. The first under HPS is located in the green bucket while the second under CFL's is on the left. And the verdict, both are vegging at about the same rate.

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