How to: Getting that Phenotype.

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Colorado Skunk

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Tell me if this sounds familiar: You've just picked out your new strain and find out there are a few different phenotypes you could end up with. Many feel, it is simply the luck of the draw at this point. To an extent, this is correct. While some genes are such that they cannot be altered much by environmental triggers others are not so stubborn.
Let's take a popular strain by GreenHouse for example - The Super Lemon Haze. Now, say you're growing in a very hot and humid vegetative room - this is going to cater to the longer flowering phenotype as it is more suitable to the hot, humid environment.
The following is an excerpt from DJ Short's, "Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis,"
"Specific environmental conditions are sometimes required for certain phenotypic expressions from a given genotype." It can't get any clearer then that DJ.
So next time your fretting over whether or not you're going to end up with that magic pheno, take a step back and ask yourself, "what can I do to help it along?"
 
Colorado Skunk said:
Tell me if this sounds familiar: You've just picked out your new strain and find out there are a few different phenotypes you could end up with. Many feel, it is simply the luck of the draw at this point. To an extent, this is correct. While some genes are such that they cannot be altered much by environmental triggers others are not so stubborn.
Let's take a popular strain by GreenHouse for example - The Super Lemon Haze. Now, say you're growing in a very hot and humid vegetative room - this is going to cater to the longer flowering phenotype as it is more suitable to the hot, humid environment.
The following is an excerpt from DJ Short's, "Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis,"
"Specific environmental conditions are sometimes required for certain phenotypic expressions from a given genotype." It can't get any clearer then that DJ.
So next time your fretting over whether or not you're going to end up with that magic pheno, take a step back and ask yourself, "what can I do to help it along?"
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We know that's you DJ
 
Any classic stable strain grown from regular seed, every plant has it advantages and disadvantages

some people want
* higher yeilds
* short flower time
* strong knock out stone ( night smoke)
* smoth mello high ( day time smoke )
* large bushy plants
* small plant with large buds

so there's not a best phenotype
its all down to what you want out a plant

I have grown 40 plants from seed to get my phenotype

it grows really bushy, large buds and a good smoke

just picked the best plant for me :)



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well if your suggesting that you can drastically alter the phenotype of any given plant in regards to things like yield, potency, smell or anything complicated like that im sorry but your absolutely wrong the main phenotypic expressions that we as growers have an influence on are sex related and aside frm that maybe color and density but most of what youll get if you buy lemon haze from shit house seeds is a plantthat will smell like and smoke like whatever its genotype says it will.
 
bf80255 said:
well if your suggesting that you can drastically alter the phenotype of any given plant in regards to things like yield, potency, smell or anything complicated like that im sorry but your absolutely wrong the main phenotypic expressions that we as growers have an influence on are sex related and aside frm that maybe color and density but most of what youll get if you buy lemon haze from shit house seeds is a plantthat will smell like and smoke like whatever its genotype says it will.
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Sorry I disagree

I have grow a lot of different strains over the years and I have often shared a join, nobody has ever guessed what strain it is by looks, smoking it and the high/stone

How many thread have you seen
"What strain is this plant"

what I am saying is pick a strain
that gives you the phoneo you want and then its down to luck how good the plants are

often plant will grow and look very diffent and some plants will flower longer than others

The reason you want a phonetype is every plant grown from clones ( "just added "all clones are a phonetype")are the same and plants grown from seed are often diffent
 
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i dont think you understand what the word "phenotype" means and this is the advanced section so i assume most users on this part of the forum are aware of the difference between seeds and clone (what i think you just described, english needs a little work hard for me to make out exactly what it is you did say.)
 
jacksthc said:
Sorry I disagree

I have grow a lot of different strains over the years and I have often shared a join, nobody has ever guessed what strain it is by looks, smoking it and the high/stone

How many thread have you seen
"What strain is this plant"

what I am saying is pick a strain
that gives you the phoneo you want and then its down to luck how good the plants are

often plant will grow and look very diffent and some plants will flower longer than others

The reason you want a phonetype is every plant grown from clones are the same and plants grown from seed are often diffent
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not trying ro be a dick or anything just think you should research the subject mire thoroughly
 
bf80255 said:
not trying ro be a dick or anything just think you should research the subject mire thoroughly
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bf80255 said:
i dont think you understand what the word "phenotype" means and this is the advanced section so i assume most users on this part of the forum are aware of the difference between seeds and clone (what i think you just described, english needs a little work hard for me to make out exactly what it is you did say.)
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To get your ideal phonetype

you germinate lots of seeds
you take a few cutting from every plant before you flower them (keep them in veg and tagged so you know which come from witch plant )

then you keep the plant that fits your needs and keep as a mother plant, every clone will grow the same as the motherplant

why does anyone want to go through this, if all plants grow the same from seeds ?
 
jacksthc said:
To get your ideal phonetype

you germinate lots of seeds
you take a few cutting from every plant before you flower them (keep them in veg and tagged so you know which come from witch plant )

then you keep the plant that fits your needs and keep as a mother plant, every clone will grow the same as the motherplant

why does anyone want to go through this, if all plants grow the same from seeds ?
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choose a more stable seed strain if your getting too many phenos, or you can try S1's made by a good breeder those are usually pretty spot on.
i dont understand what your asking.
 
bf80255 said:
choose a more stable seed strain if your getting too many phenos, or you can try S1's made by a good breeder those are usually pretty spot on.
i dont understand what your asking.
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Name of the thread
get that phenotype

I have been growing perpetual for the last 9 years indoors with a veg and flower room, pulling a crop every 8-9 weeks

I have grown over 15 diffent strains

And in all that time the only consistent thing is from seed the plants look and grow diffent

so for the last 5 years I have gone for a good phoneotype and kept it 5-6 crops

maybe diffent if you grow small plants in a sog but if like me you need 4-6 plants under each 600w
you can see a real diffence in plant shape and yeild

so getting a good phoneotype is the only way to go imo

I would love to buy a pack of seeds and see one phoneo in pack but never seen it yet

Even skunk 1, one of the most stable plants and the first true indoor plant has a lot of phoneotypes

Your never going to buy a pack of seeds and get them to grow like clones



Just not going to happen
 
im 8 1/2 inches long!
sorry i felt insecure for a moment, thats great im glad youve got your grow dialed in so well. your right seeds are a waste of time and have zrro benefit for experienced growers ill take all this relevant infp and spread it to the masses now.
 
seeds even from the same batch will give different phenos. some may be very close in all apspects and some vary. cherry og has three distinct phenos. cherry thai pheno chemdawg pheno and an inbetween. i personally love the cherry thai so i pop a pack and pick the cherry thai mom and leave the rest out. see i selected the pheno for me! seeds are awesome and if you clone all your life you really cant call yourself a great grower.
 
Michiganja Meduana said:
I woul;d like to do some more research on this subject, what resources do you recommend?
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The texts on cannabis are usually outdated and skimpy to say the least independent research or college courses would be your best bet, i myself like google lol
Look into mendelian ratios and inheritance, what specifically do you have questions about? Breeding? Genotype vs. Phenotype? Ill try and point you in the right direction
 
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