tru dat homie... blackmessiah did a real good job at explaining it for you without bashing you... i think cfl growers are alot more humble in the sense, they dont talk shit.... we get enough shit talked to us for using cfl's.. we know how it feels for someone to say "ahh... your using a cfl, you oughtta just throw your seeds in a ditch and be happy with what you get..." that was almost a direct quote from one of my threads... cfl's WILL produce bud... if you look in my thread, you can see how i upped my watts every couple weeks or so.. the 42w 2700k cfl put off the least amount of heat... just something to consider.. i think i paid like 5 or 6 bucks for it at target... my buds were growing with 26w, but it got really fat when i put the 42 w in... the last few weeks i ended up boosting that 42w to 68w by adding two 13w bulbs in with the 42w... heat was becoming an issue with my filters on, so i took them off and it did fine... hope this helps a lil... any other questions homie, feel free to post them in my thread in my sig... thanx and deuce deuce nuccah...