How do you adjust Ph?

KittenKiller

Well-Known Member
Great thread guys! We're getting a lot covered here.

My question- If your soil is at 5.5ph and you wanted to get it at 6.0ph on the dot, would a watering with plain sink water of 7.2ph do the trick just fine instead of using ph+?
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Great thread guys! We're getting a lot covered here.

My question- If your soil is at 5.5ph and you wanted to get it at 6.0ph on the dot, would a watering with plain sink water of 7.2ph do the trick just fine instead of using ph+?
No and yes!

You have to work out why your soil was at 5.5 in the first place, most store bought soil is pH6.3 out of the bag and above so what would have happened to lower this to 5.5???

Could it be the ferts you added to the soil, there pretty acidic and would probably do it, possibly if you have had wet soil sitting around for ages the soil microbes who thrive on anaerobic respiration (require no oxygen) might have made enough waste products to acidify the soil. Personally and for most of us we have simply added to much ferts.

So we add ferts to the plant and the pH levels go down but the levels go up as the plant eats them again. This is what you are seeing in the runoff, overfertilise and the pH gets worse and worse and also the ec/ppm will rise and rise.

And you thought that taking the runoff was a measure of the soil pH, really it is the soils pH plus the effects of anything futher you have added to it.

Now to chasing pH which is fruitless, you get a runoff of 5.5 and think i'll add 8.5 water to compenstae, of course the runoff comes out looking good at pH7 but this is not right because the runoff is now a mixture of the soil pH plus anything you have added i.e. ferts plus the effects of a completely different pH water. As you can see your runoff simply gives you a mixture of all the results.

So to do a correct flush we pH all water to similar to our soils original starting pH say around 6.5 to be safe and certain. We dont stop flushing till our runoff pH is close to the input water of 6.5. Only this way in watching the pH rise to the original soil pH level do we know we are flushing the built up salts/ferts out of the soil as these are what are affecting our pH in the first place and lowering it. If we flush at pH8 we are back to getting that mixture again.

Flush at the rough pH of the soil minus the ferts that way when the runoff gets close to this your soil will just be soil again with no ferts.

I had to work the same stuff out for soil and pH a while ago, even my explanation mught be confusing but im happy to explain any futher if there are questions. Believe me it gets more complicated and let me just say i dont bother pH'ing ferts and water in soil anymore as lime dose that for me and we have no conception of the acidity and alkjalinity produced by the two different types of nitrogen, Ammoniacal Nitrogen and Nitrate Nitrogen.

Let me know what your stuck on dudes. Peace
 

newwb

Active Member
I am using roots organics form 707 soil, with a large sum of perlite added...and now matter what PH I adjust my water/feeds to...my soil is ALWAYS 7! And I have read many places it should be at 6.4-6.8 to avoid nute lockout, right?
I use PH down and much like beer, it just passes on through, but doesn't affect my soils PH. I wonder if there's some kind of PH buffer in it to keep it @ neutral..
If anyone knows, please advise...as I have had 2 plants I gave up on already due to severe stunting/lack of growth.And when I culled em off, they had crappy small root mass, etc...not those gorgeous white ones I am now getting in my wick buckets.
I see this thread hasn't been posted on in 2 months, but hopefully someone can chime in...should I just work some lime into the layers of soil in the existing pots?
And does lime KEEP the PH down, part of the problem of being a new grower is everyone has an opinion, and so mannnny are different about PH levels!
My plants have all stunted a time or two and I am pretty sure it is due to PH issues...I have a new ebb and grow system (waiting on my next grow and 15 healthy plants) and am thinking it will be a lot easier to manage PH in a soilless system.
In a 3 gallon pot how much lime would you use, and doesn't that get washed away when flushing the plants? Then do you have to reapply after each flush, I can't seem to get my soil below 7 and most literature says MJ likes slightly acidic soils (6.2-6.8?)
One thing for sure is I wont be using formula 707 soil anymore...its pricey, and holds water like crazy..had to add 2 bags total of perlite, per 1 bag form 707 to aerate so the stuff didn't turn to mud and sit and rot the damn roots.
Strange thing is I was told the bag it came in was made to just open a circle on top and plant your MJ right in the bag!!
Crazy stuff...so much to learn, so much info, and much of it conflicting info to boot!

Happy Holidays all..peace
C
 

IlikePhish

Active Member
is there any amount of time you should wait between the time you add the ph up or down, and when you check the ph again. The PH up/down doesn't need any time to set in or whatever?
I am looking for an answer on this too. I have a 14 Gal. reservoir that I currently try to stir through a hole in the lid after adjusting the Ph. It still seems like the Ph is different when I measure it right after adding Ph+/Ph- versus about an hour later. So I guess I'm not sure how long I actually need to be waiting.
 

Growup hen

New Member
I bought advanced nutrients big bud, overdrive, ancient earth and sensizyme so once my tap water is set to 6.8 i hear i dont need to worry about fiddling with ph as much. i've not had a chance to setup to use them, wondering if anyone else is doing this and i'm chasing feedback on advanced nutrients as a whole. does anyone else use their products?.
thanks
 

katoskillzzz

Active Member
No and yes!

You have to work out why your soil was at 5.5 in the first place, most store bought soil is pH6.3 out of the bag and above so what would have happened to lower this to 5.5???

Could it be the ferts you added to the soil, there pretty acidic and would probably do it, possibly if you have had wet soil sitting around for ages the soil microbes who thrive on anaerobic respiration (require no oxygen) might have made enough waste products to acidify the soil. Personally and for most of us we have simply added to much ferts.

So we add ferts to the plant and the pH levels go down but the levels go up as the plant eats them again. This is what you are seeing in the runoff, overfertilise and the pH gets worse and worse and also the ec/ppm will rise and rise.

And you thought that taking the runoff was a measure of the soil pH, really it is the soils pH plus the effects of anything futher you have added to it.

Now to chasing pH which is fruitless, you get a runoff of 5.5 and think i'll add 8.5 water to compenstae, of course the runoff comes out looking good at pH7 but this is not right because the runoff is now a mixture of the soil pH plus anything you have added i.e. ferts plus the effects of a completely different pH water. As you can see your runoff simply gives you a mixture of all the results.

So to do a correct flush we pH all water to similar to our soils original starting pH say around 6.5 to be safe and certain. We dont stop flushing till our runoff pH is close to the input water of 6.5. Only this way in watching the pH rise to the original soil pH level do we know we are flushing the built up salts/ferts out of the soil as these are what are affecting our pH in the first place and lowering it. If we flush at pH8 we are back to getting that mixture again.

Flush at the rough pH of the soil minus the ferts that way when the runoff gets close to this your soil will just be soil again with no ferts.

I had to work the same stuff out for soil and pH a while ago, even my explanation mught be confusing but im happy to explain any futher if there are questions. Believe me it gets more complicated and let me just say i dont bother pH'ing ferts and water in soil anymore as lime dose that for me and we have no conception of the acidity and alkjalinity produced by the two different types of nitrogen, Ammoniacal Nitrogen and Nitrate Nitrogen.

Let me know what your stuck on dudes. Peace
 

katoskillzzz

Active Member
Holy shit did you just quote me from 2011... Wow :-)
Yes sorry I'm new meant to do something else, but maybe you can help me.
Hello, I'm really having issues reading my soil pH. I have an anolog reader, a digital reader and the strips. When I use the anolog one is doesn't really move kinda just shows 7 or just higher. When I use the digital one it shows 5.5. when I use my strips it shows like 8. And when I test my run off using my liquid digital meter(which I do have figured out and calibrated) I put water in at about 6.5 and my run off is like 6. Please I'm very confused all my reading are fighting each other.maybe how you can help is to show me the specific meter you use and the way u use it. Thank you
 

Craigy2021

Member
A top tip i learned is DO NOT add the pH up or pH down directly to the water with your nutes, because it creates a chemical reaction in the water,
what you should be doing is adding your pH solution to a seperate glass of your water, mix it, then add to your overall mixture and guess what? No chemical reaction from pouring it straight into the feed,
I saw this on a YouTube video, if i find out who, ill edit my comment to give them credit.
 

Craigy2021

Member
Great thread guys! We're getting a lot covered here.

My question- If your soil is at 5.5ph and you wanted to get it at 6.0ph on the dot, would a watering with plain sink water of 7.2ph do the trick just fine instead of using ph+?
Just add lime or bark to your soil, over time your pH will raise in the soil
 

twentyeight.threefive

Well-Known Member
A top tip i learned is DO NOT add the pH up or pH down directly to the water with your nutes, because it creates a chemical reaction in the water,
what you should be doing is adding your pH solution to a seperate glass of your water, mix it, then add to your overall mixture and guess what? No chemical reaction from pouring it straight into the feed,
I saw this on a YouTube video, if i find out who, ill edit my comment to give them credit.
You've got to stay off YouTube. I add pH down directly to my nutrients and never have a problem.
 
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