Homebox L Help

uptosumpn

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Damm, i have read so much my eyes hurt....ok, i'm with dude above....i need to finally get the understanding to set up my homebox xl air-flow/odor-kill/exhaust heat/ducting set-up, (with 6" cooltube) somebody break this shit down for the simpliest/easiest set-up.... Btw, set-up consist of 16 plants,(autos in soil) 600hps/mh with 2' floros in all corners with 2 4" or 6" oscallating fans...(may also use a portable ac/dehumidifier unit) just need a experineced opinion on what kind of carbon filter/scurbber i need and the cfm on it...can fan? As well as do i need a duct/axial fan,(what cfm?) or inline fan? (what cfm) and/or exhaust fan? (what cfm) i'm confused by all the diff damm names!!! Help a newbie out!!
 

potenza

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do you use also cfm ? which lumen ? 2700k or 6500k ?do you fix cfms on the corner or will you adjust them as to plants just above ?
 

GypsyBush

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Hey Guys...

Gypsy here...

Potenza, you say your english is not so good... what is your language?

OK.. so I have built my own tent, and I am very happy with the outcome...

I have some spare time so I will try to help you guys out the best I can...

First.. here is an illustration that should help most of you understand the IDEAL setup, vent and cooltube wise...

Thanks to Al B. Fuct






So as you can see, the air that passes through the cooltube NEVER mixes with the air from the tent...

If you use the scrubber fan at the end of your exhaust as the pick up for the cooltube, you are running HOT AIR over the bulb... and decreasing efficiency...

Can you do it? sure! will work? sure... but it is not the best way to set it up...

What happens whan you don't want the exhaust on, but the light needs to be on?

The correct way is to have the cooltube on a dedicated fan, with a timer to keep the fan on for an extra minutes after the light goes off....

Your intake and exhaust are totally separate from the light cooling...

With that, you can set up a thermostat and have your exhaust (with filter) and intake (if you choose to have active intake) and you can just set the temperature you want and the fans will work accordingly to keep it there...

You are spending lots of cash on this nice set up.... do it right.. you will be rewarded by years of trouble free grows...

Do it half ass and you will be constantly having to ... fiddle with it...

My two cents...

Here is what I built... sorry for the hijack... but I think it is relevant....

Cheers,, and hit me back with your thoughts...

Gypsy...:joint::peace:



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Originally Posted by GypsyBush
Hi...! yes... I'very Hi...!

A while back (10 days or so) I ordered a new light... a 600 Watt HPS w/ a 8" cool tube... ... so I could have one light over the four trays I intend on having..

I wanted to order a Grow Tent as well, but the cash was a little short that day... not wanting to wait this long again for shipping, I decided to go get some supplies and build my own... (with the help of a good friend... Thanks!!!:clap:)

Soooo, I just thought I'd post about how I spent part of my day yesterday...

Went to WM... picked up a "wardrobe"... air pumps & stones... Industrial Strength Velcro... and 4 plastic containers...








Then I went to "L" and got a few more things... 4"in-line duct fan (exhaust) @ 80CFM... some 4" ducting... a 4" ducting wall adapter... and some heavy duty tape...











Then I went to a gardening supply store and picked up some 6 MIL black/white Panda Film, but I had to buy a freaking roll of it... 1000 sq Foot roll... yeah.... ok... and I found these neat little zippers... probably $1 from China, but I paid PREMIUM, let me assure you hehehe, what a rip off... I needed them so I got them... and they were very easy to use... if only they were a better zipper... I hate cheap, flimsy shit that you know won't last... especially when you have to pay a lot for it...

Oh my other beef with the zipper is that you NEED 2 to make a door... all of the pictures showed what I needed... but you can't make an effective door with just one... everything I said before... just doubled the price... rip off....








So I guess a few pictures of the assembly are in order...

This is not a tutorial... I am not a teacher and I don't have patience to explain anything to anyone unless the person is willing to pay genuine attention because they are really interested...

With that said, I would be glad to answer questions here on this thread (please do not PM me ABOUT THIS)... just make sure you are asking a relevant, specific question... Thanks...!

















So Yeah, it is pretty easy, if you have the patience to deal with a very large piece of plastic that needs to be folded neatly several time...

I still need a piece of thin plywood for the bottom, the cardboard looked good for the pictures, but it's not permanent...

I put little velcro tabs, attaching the frame to the panda film...

I had to make an extra section to cover the back of the zipper, as it is not light proof, and to make sure, I ran a strip of velcro lenghtwise, to make sure light cannot go in because of the zipper...

I'll take a better picture of the thermostat, but it is just a regular cooling thermostat... you set the temp and it lets power go to whatever it is you are running...

Kinda like a timer..... but instead of turning on and off with hours and minutes, it is controlled by temperature...

So I can have the fan kick at ... say... 75F...and when it gets below 75F (+- a few) it shuts off....

Passive intakes should do it... but it would be easy to add at any point...

I know I will not get true 80CFM out of this fan, but I have a small tent...
true 80CFM would circulate the entire airmass 3.3 times every minute...

I bet I am still getting full volume transfer every minute... I got 24 cubic feet of space...

Well, it's time for me to go and enjoy some torture at physical therapy...

Be good boys and girls... and remember "Always Drive Rowdy...." lol...

Gypsy....:wink:

When the light gets here, it will have 8" holes on the sides of the tent for unrestricted blow by ventilation... provided by a 265cfm cage fan (not an in-line blower...


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Originally Posted by GypsyBush
Damn... and I still got the joint... :joint::peace:


Ok... so I will start pretty much where I left off... with one overlapped picture to illustrate a change....


I decided to change the exhaust flange because I found one that will block the light a little better than the previous... and I think it looks slightly better...










...and a little fan to ... "..stir it up, little darling stur it up..."lol







Oh! I was wrong about the fan all along... it is a 170 CFM in line blower...








I have always been scared of cheap plastic timers on anything more than household lamp... so... here we have a real timer... that probably won't catch fire, melt or be overloaded...








Of course we gotta know what we are feeding our plants, so here we have a HANNA Pronto TDS/PPM meter.... everything to keep my ladies happy...









The thermostat will kick the exhaust fan ON when the temperature inside raises to what the user sets it to...








This power strip will be used for non-ballast/non-timed/non-heat generating items such as the circulating fan and 9 watt CFL (just in case I need a light and don't need to fire up the BIG GUNS...)

Everything else will be staged outside... airpumps, ballasts, transformers... etc...







And here is the whole strip with the goodies....










... and last but not least....

I really wanted to use some of the "neoprene" medialess "disks"... but there were none to be had in this town...

So, again, I found something that works at a fraction of the cost....

I wanted to get away from absorbent foam once the seedlings grow a bit, to avoid stem rot...

So this closed cell foam is perfect, even if I have to tape or glue it once the thin seam busts...

It's perfect for what I am doing...










Well boys & girls.. it's been fun so far... but I am not finished.... soooo... I will get busy again and check with you guys a little later...

Take care...

Gypsy...:joint::bigjoint:



:joint:... anyone...



:leaf:



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Originally Posted by GypsyBush
So this is what I came up with for the timer...

there is a 5' cord that will plug into the wall...

and a 3-way splitter, to feed the light, cool tube fan and anything else I want to run on the same schedule...






So... how am I doing this far...???

:bigjoint:




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potenza

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i found a cheap grow box ,it is only 80 GBP 1 x 1 x 2 metre.
but i have read that pvc kills plants.is it true ?should i buy cheap pvc grow room?
 

GypsyBush

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Stay away from pvc or cheap grow boxes... some have used a glue that kills plants when hot...

Buid your own.... I did mine for about USD$50 .... use wood for a frame... cheap and light.. panda film for the covering... works wonderful...

And just to clarify...

I use a 170CFM blower on my cooltube.... period... the air comes from outside and goes back outside... no tent exhaust for this fan...

I use a 424 CFM blower for my exhaust... going through a carbon filter... no cooltube for this fan....

The fan for the cool tube is not a part of the tent ventilation....

The fan for the cooltube is dedicated to the cooltube...

:bigjoint:
 

uptosumpn

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hey gypsy, thanks for all the information and the pics!!! u are a great help for what i'm trying to do....FINALLY SOMEBODY JUST ANSWERED THE DAMM QUESTIONS STRAIGHT-UP!!! OH, BTW WHERE DID YOU GET THAT NEWER EXHAUST DUCT FLANGE FROM?? LOOKS MUCH BETTER AND YEAH,THAT WILL KEEP OUT MORE LIGHT..ALSO, THAT THERMO-TIMER U GOT THERE TO CONTROL/MANAGE YOUR TEMP INSIDE...THAT'S A GREAT IDEA! I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. (U SAID U CONNECT IT TO THE EXHAUST FAN, RIGHT?)..DEF NEED ONE OF THOSE..WHERE DID U GET IT? AND HOW MUCH? AND FINALLY, ACTIVE AIR INTAKE VS. PASSIVE...IF I GET A FAN, WHAT KIND AND WHAT CFM DO U SUGGEST? MY HOMEBOX XL IS 4' X 4' X 7' = 120SF.(MAYBE ANOTHER IN-LINE FAN, JUST LIKE THE ONE I'LL USE FOR THE LIGHTS?) WOULD THE THERMO-TIMER NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO THIS FAN ALSO?? OR JUS USE A PORTABLE AC/DEHUMIDIFIER, (7000BTU) WITH THERMO-TIMER...OR JUS KEEP IT SIMPLE WID PASSIVE......? JUS NEED A LIL CLEARIFICATION ON THESE THINGS BEFORE I GO SHOPPING...THANKS AGAIN BRO!!!!
 

Proph

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potenza all you need is that 449 vortex CFM inline fan i gave the link to you for exhaust.
 
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