i am new to all this---would like to make a strong thc vape liquid to use in a vape pen.i have watched lots of videos that show differant ways to make but i dont want crap i want it to be good.help please.have purchased 250 ml of vegetable glycerin and 250 ml of propylene glycol-----shows mixing solution 70--30% adding amount for 7 grams of weed.put weed in a bowl with tinfoil around it in a 100 degree oven 30 minutes cool -put weed in jar with the measured liquid place on lid- put in water bath-heat low for 3 1/2 hrs shacking every 30 minutes strain then use...However does it not need terpenes for taste --also i want something better than the weed --what will increase the strenth? can someone give this old dirt farmer advice on how to do this right.??? thanks in advance another question --some of the thc vape liquid says 87% other show 92% what does that mean compaired to this?
help with the thc vape pen oil
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reallybigjesusfreak
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hey, in this same subforum we have a 40 page thread that answers every question you have. just start at the beginning, because we were all kind of learning together and sharing experiences, so it sort of reads like an instruction manual.
Chris Edward
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@LittleT
I second what @reallybigjesusfreak has to say, there's lots of info already here, you just need to look for it.
As far as "something better than the weed", I am not sure what you mean by this...
Do you mean more concentrated?
One way to get a more concentrated oil is to use THC crystals, but this is territory I would tread very cautiously with this because you can easily go from a good time to sort of a cannabis coma where you are zoned out for a bit and all you can do is just ride it out.
The commercially produced vape liquids are typically produced using CO2 extraction and some of the more expensive brands will use a tiny amount of added terpenes to thin out the extract so it will flow through the cartridge coil easier. This is how they maintain 90+ percent oil.
Processing 7 grams of flowers is going to yield about 0.7 grams of cannabis oil (all cannabinoids, not just THC), which is not much.
So if for example you have flowers that are 18% THC, then you will have 0.126 grams of THC in the final oil.
If you use the VG
G steeping method, there will be some loss because some of the VGG mix will remain on the flowers.
Using the VGG steeping method will not yield you an oil that is stronger than a commercially produced vape cartridge, your best hope is a strength of about 2-4% THC, somewhere in that ballpark.
But this all depends on how much VGG you have to use to cover the flowers and the size of the container used to steep the flowers in, so the dilution can be more or less.
You will have to completely "wet" the flowers and if you are working with 7 grams of flowers, you are going to use more than 0.126 grams of VGG.
Your best bet would be QWISO (do a search on RIU and you will find lots of references), then dilute the oil in the VGG, this way you can have more control over how much the oil gets diluted; and then you can let it steep a bit, mixing it often so the cannabinoids are fully dispersed and remain mixed when cooled.
Just be aware that homemade oils tend to be stronger than the commercially produced stuff.
So the numbers may seem smaller, but as long as the effect is what you want, that's all that matters.
I hope this was helpful.
I second what @reallybigjesusfreak has to say, there's lots of info already here, you just need to look for it.
As far as "something better than the weed", I am not sure what you mean by this...
Do you mean more concentrated?
One way to get a more concentrated oil is to use THC crystals, but this is territory I would tread very cautiously with this because you can easily go from a good time to sort of a cannabis coma where you are zoned out for a bit and all you can do is just ride it out.
The commercially produced vape liquids are typically produced using CO2 extraction and some of the more expensive brands will use a tiny amount of added terpenes to thin out the extract so it will flow through the cartridge coil easier. This is how they maintain 90+ percent oil.
Processing 7 grams of flowers is going to yield about 0.7 grams of cannabis oil (all cannabinoids, not just THC), which is not much.
So if for example you have flowers that are 18% THC, then you will have 0.126 grams of THC in the final oil.
If you use the VG
G steeping method, there will be some loss because some of the VGG mix will remain on the flowers.Using the VG
G steeping method will not yield you an oil that is stronger than a commercially produced vape cartridge, your best hope is a strength of about 2-4% THC, somewhere in that ballpark.But this all depends on how much VG
G you have to use to cover the flowers and the size of the container used to steep the flowers in, so the dilution can be more or less.You will have to completely "wet" the flowers and if you are working with 7 grams of flowers, you are going to use more than 0.126 grams of VG
G.Your best bet would be QWISO (do a search on RIU and you will find lots of references), then dilute the oil in the VG
G, this way you can have more control over how much the oil gets diluted; and then you can let it steep a bit, mixing it often so the cannabinoids are fully dispersed and remain mixed when cooled.Just be aware that homemade oils tend to be stronger than the commercially produced stuff.
So the numbers may seem smaller, but as long as the effect is what you want, that's all that matters.
I hope this was helpful.
well basiclly i want a stronger product--have tried a few differant types but wasnt impressed by most--probably due to the fact it was sativa--im more of a stoner!! i have studied how to make it for awhile from reading here and on the web ,but my question was can i make it stronger?1 to 2 hits instead of 5 or 6.to be honest i am a heavy smoker---i usually purchase a few ozs a month if not more.thanks for the advice
Chris Edward
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@LittleT
For clarification, stronger than what?
CO2 cannabis oil vape cartridges or smoking flowers?
reallybigjesusfreak
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what you want to put in your carts then is distillate. Pure distillate and maybe a drop or two of terpenes.
OldMedUser
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I have some VG and PG as well and was wondering about cooking up some kief in it then straining and putting in a cart.
Does that need to be decarbed? It's a couple years old sitting at room temp so should be naturally decarbed and I can always heat it enough to decarb in the VG if needed.
Thought I would use 5g of keif with 50ml VG as an experiment.
Any thoughts?
Does that need to be decarbed? It's a couple years old sitting at room temp so should be naturally decarbed and I can always heat it enough to decarb in the VG if needed.
Thought I would use 5g of keif with 50ml VG as an experiment.
Any thoughts?
Chris Edward
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Are the flowers in a sealed jar or have they been exposed to the outside air?I have some VG and PG as well and was wondering about cooking up some kief in it then straining and putting in a cart.
Does that need to be decarbed? It's a couple years old sitting at room temp so should be naturally decarbed and I can always heat it enough to decarb in the VG if needed.
Thought I would use 5g of keif with 50ml VG as an experiment.
Any thoughts?
I am not sure about the timing, but after a couple of years sitting at room temp, the THC has probably all turned to CBNA and possibly even decarbed on it's own to CBN.
CBN supposedly gives you a mellow high with a lot more sedative effects.
If you are looking for more of a THC high, find a military vet who smokes and offer to swap them your aged stuff for something fresher.
Chances are they will jump at the offer because usually anything CBN sells for a premium.
Ex-military (though are you ever ex-military?) folks love CBN because it helps with daytime PTSD and even if they won't talk about it, it helps them sleep because PTSD can cause a lot of night time anxiety accompanied by nightmares.
The medication typically prescribed for PTSD nightmares, prazosin (off-label use), is actually in capsules that are sort of camo colors (generic from Mylan), green/khaki, and dark-brown/light-brown...
I am not sure if this is a coincidence or it was done on purpose.
PTSD nightmares are difficult for military folks to talk about, because it is seen as a weakness.
But it's not, it's just how our minds cope a lot of stress in a short period of time.
Sadly it's a perfectly normal response.
CBN helps during the day and night, whereas high doses of prazosin only work at night.
I am not sure if there is anything medically approved for daytime PTSD, which is probably why CBN is so popular.
I am in the process of aging some cannabis so I can try this firsthand because I have only read about it, but it sounds like a very nice, enjoyable high.
Off-topic...
I wonder when we are going to start seeing people who mix blends of cannabinoid "cocktails" like how hipsters sort of ruined bartending, sorry "mixology."
We are already sort of seeing it with the terpene market, but I am talking about people blending THC, CBD, and cave aged CBN....lol...
To be fair, I have nothing wrong with people taking a hobby and making it something special, but things like the hipster bartending movement and the "molecular" gastronomy movement in cooking became more about turning 30 cents in ingredients into $30 profit and less about making a quality product.
Plus these "movements" always get a bunch of folks to spend money they don't have on overpriced equipment hoping to cash in on the next "gold rush."
It's all hype.
I will get off my soapbox now...
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SSR
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If it's been sealed from air chances are it's not all CBN yet.
Theres another thread specifically about CBN I got interested in and most studys show if weeds been stored in the dark, kept cool and out of a fresh air supply then it can still be useable after a quite a long period.
A lot of the monoterps and thc may be gone after a couple of years though
Chris Edward
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Can you link that thread?
I would love to see some of these studies because so many resources list vague and useless info, it would be nice to see some usable information, like time lines under specific conditions, stuff like that.
Instead we usually get:
"If it sits for a 'long' time...."
What does that even mean?
Thank you!
ANC
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It's probably decarbed as much as it is going to get after all that time. Decarbing actually turns a very small percentage of THCa into THC, I think it is something like 1 percent ... speaking under correction.I have some VG and PG as well and was wondering about cooking up some kief in it then straining and putting in a cart.
Does that need to be decarbed? It's a couple years old sitting at room temp so should be naturally decarbed and I can always heat it enough to decarb in the VG if needed.
Thought I would use 5g of keif with 50ml VG as an experiment.
Any thoughts?
I've heard of people smoking old weed... I've never been able to keep weed for long.
OldMedUser
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This isn't bud it's keif I sifted off of sugar trim and it's been sitting in my safe sealed up in a mason jar. It's from many strains leaning toward the sativa side as that's mainly the type of pot I've been growing for almost 20 years. I've kept some separate in other smaller jars so I can make strain specific hash/oil/edibles from them.
I'm more just wondering if VG/PG will dissolve the cannabinoids on their own or should I be making oil from them first then dissolving the oil into the VG/PG.
I have pot sitting around that's 5+ years old and it certainly hasn't all turned into CBN as it still gets me high without couch locking me.
My best bet is to just go ahead and try it out. I just did a quick inventory and have 64g of kief on hand. 3 or 4 2L cans of fresh, not dried, sugar trim/popcorn in the freezer and a couple liters worth of fresh dried trim from my recent harvest. So likely over 100g of kief to play with if I want tho I like making black hash by blending 1g of BHO to 4 - 5g of kief in a pyrex pie plate sitting on a pot of simmering water.
Most of the pot I consume is in edible form aka cocobudder and I'm trying to eliminate any smoking to preserve what's left of my lung function. Day 16 without cigs after a 50 year pack-a-day habit and it's going pretty good with the help of e-cigs.
I'm not ex-military but 40 years ago was beaten near to death by a large man with a medium sized hammer. Suffered for years with sleep paralysis nightmares that still pop up when something traumatic happens and have had chronic depression ever since. Self medicated with booze and many other substances tho booze was the worst and I rarely drink now. I really feel that pot has saved my life by preventing me from eating my shotgun.
OldMedUser
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I figure if I chug a pot of coffee I can hit about 15,000 rpm. That ought to do it!
Now I'm just going to have to give it a go and see what happens. Not tonight as I need to finish trimming my plants so I can get going with the huge backlog of projects I have had lined up for ages.
A heated magnetic stirrer is at the top of my wish list and would be a big help with this and making both colloidal silver and cocobudder. I have an unheated one that's good for the CS tho.
OldMedUser
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Said the hell with trimming and made a batch of e-juice.
I need to filter it or see if it settles out and can be sucked out with the syringe but it has me nicely buzzed with about 6 pulls off the e-cig. Seems to only work off my big battery and not the spare but I can do my nicotine e-juice off the spare just fine and they both have adjustable voltage settings.
Decided to go with 35ml VG and 15ml PG and 5g of kief. Heated it to 130C but it was starting to smoke so lowered the temp to 120 and it just kinda steamed. I stirred it every couple minutes while watching TV and it was definitely bubbling at 120+. Very fine bubbles that I assume was decarbing like it does when I make cocobudder and the temp gets to around 125C.
I was weighing my ingredients so I'm glad I looked up the densities for the VG and PG. VG is 1.26g/ml so multiply the number of mls you want to use by that to get the right weight so you have the correct mls. PG is only 1.04 so not as critical.
You can see the ring of foam around the edge caused by the bubbles. Hard to see on the surface but when I looked with the magnifying glass it was bubbles alright. This pic is just before I turned off the heat after about two hours of cooking. I could have done it longer and may reheat it so it can cook more.
At first it just floated on top but after getting hot and some stirring it mixed right in. As it cooked I could see the trichs getting smaller until they had all melted. Little bits of crud in there tho as it was only sifted at 180 micron.
Got really dark by the end.
It seems to dissolve just fine so that answers my original question and I'm pretty happy with it. Nice stony buzz so there must be a good amount of CBN in it. Not horrible tasting but a drop of spearmint/peppermint oil wouldn't hurt.
I have the jar sitting on top of the fridge where it's nice and warm and after an hour you can see a real clear layer about 1/8" on top so hopefully all the particles will settle out in a day or so and I can take the clear off the top. Takes a day for the cocobudder to clear as well.
Needs some refinement and maybe some fresh kief for a stronger buzz but seems to work not bad.
I need to filter it or see if it settles out and can be sucked out with the syringe but it has me nicely buzzed with about 6 pulls off the e-cig. Seems to only work off my big battery and not the spare but I can do my nicotine e-juice off the spare just fine and they both have adjustable voltage settings.
Decided to go with 35ml VG and 15ml PG and 5g of kief. Heated it to 130C but it was starting to smoke so lowered the temp to 120 and it just kinda steamed. I stirred it every couple minutes while watching TV and it was definitely bubbling at 120+. Very fine bubbles that I assume was decarbing like it does when I make cocobudder and the temp gets to around 125C.
I was weighing my ingredients so I'm glad I looked up the densities for the VG and PG. VG is 1.26g/ml so multiply the number of mls you want to use by that to get the right weight so you have the correct mls. PG is only 1.04 so not as critical.
You can see the ring of foam around the edge caused by the bubbles. Hard to see on the surface but when I looked with the magnifying glass it was bubbles alright. This pic is just before I turned off the heat after about two hours of cooking. I could have done it longer and may reheat it so it can cook more.
At first it just floated on top but after getting hot and some stirring it mixed right in. As it cooked I could see the trichs getting smaller until they had all melted. Little bits of crud in there tho as it was only sifted at 180 micron.
Got really dark by the end.
It seems to dissolve just fine so that answers my original question and I'm pretty happy with it. Nice stony buzz so there must be a good amount of CBN in it. Not horrible tasting but a drop of spearmint/peppermint oil wouldn't hurt.
I have the jar sitting on top of the fridge where it's nice and warm and after an hour you can see a real clear layer about 1/8" on top so hopefully all the particles will settle out in a day or so and I can take the clear off the top. Takes a day for the cocobudder to clear as well.
Needs some refinement and maybe some fresh kief for a stronger buzz but seems to work not bad.
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SSR
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https://www.rollitup.org/t/help-want-to-oxidize-thc-to-cbn.982960/
Its.a backyard science type thread. I can't remember what I posted there as the focus was mainly on UV but I'm sure I either uploaded or link some of the studies I read which would give a good start point for further research.
Sorry but my brains not working well right now
