has anybody used superthrive?
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chuck estevez
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don't use it, PERIOD
By Robert Cox, Horticulture Agent, Colorado State University Cooperative Extension
Many consumers assume that products on the store shelf must have been tested to prove their claims. Certainly, fertilizers have to meet nutrient content requirements, and pesticides are rigorously tested for safety before EPA registration.
For some other garden products, however, no such testing is required before sale to the public.
A good example is vitamin B1 (thiamine), often sold to "prevent transplant shock" and "stimulate new root growth" when planting trees, shrubs, roses and other plants. A study in the 1930's provided the basis for such claims. Pea roots cut off from the plant were placed in a culture medium in the laboratory.
The researchers knew that thiamine was normally found in roots, so they put thiamine in the culture medium and found that root growth did occur. Vitamin B1 is manufactured in 0lant leaves and sent to the roots, but if roots are cut off and placed in a petri plate, vitamin B1 stimulates growth of the roots when it saturates the culture medium.
Planting trees in a soil environment, however, is vastly different from a laboratory culture. Most important, gardeners aren't in the habit of cutting off the root system when planting. Several studies using intact mums, apple trees, orange trees, pine, tomato, beans, pepper, corn, pear, watermelon and squash have failed to demonstrate that vitamin B1 treatments provide any type of growth response.
Some "root stimulator" products contain a rooting hormone and fertilizer along with vitamin B1. These materials may increase rooting and growth, not the vitamin B1.
The bottom line: While root stimulator products are not necessary for transplant success, if you do use one, make sure it contains a rooting hormone and fertilizer rather than just vitamin B1. The vitamin B1 is for marketing purposes rather than actual effect.
By Robert Cox, Horticulture Agent, Colorado State University Cooperative Extension
Many consumers assume that products on the store shelf must have been tested to prove their claims. Certainly, fertilizers have to meet nutrient content requirements, and pesticides are rigorously tested for safety before EPA registration.
For some other garden products, however, no such testing is required before sale to the public.
A good example is vitamin B1 (thiamine), often sold to "prevent transplant shock" and "stimulate new root growth" when planting trees, shrubs, roses and other plants. A study in the 1930's provided the basis for such claims. Pea roots cut off from the plant were placed in a culture medium in the laboratory.
The researchers knew that thiamine was normally found in roots, so they put thiamine in the culture medium and found that root growth did occur. Vitamin B1 is manufactured in 0lant leaves and sent to the roots, but if roots are cut off and placed in a petri plate, vitamin B1 stimulates growth of the roots when it saturates the culture medium.
Planting trees in a soil environment, however, is vastly different from a laboratory culture. Most important, gardeners aren't in the habit of cutting off the root system when planting. Several studies using intact mums, apple trees, orange trees, pine, tomato, beans, pepper, corn, pear, watermelon and squash have failed to demonstrate that vitamin B1 treatments provide any type of growth response.
Some "root stimulator" products contain a rooting hormone and fertilizer along with vitamin B1. These materials may increase rooting and growth, not the vitamin B1.
The bottom line: While root stimulator products are not necessary for transplant success, if you do use one, make sure it contains a rooting hormone and fertilizer rather than just vitamin B1. The vitamin B1 is for marketing purposes rather than actual effect.
gotcha..ty...lol..goin in garbage
Thc247
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only use during veg i heard it slows down the budding stage if used in flower i always use it always have every watering while in veg 1ml to 4 liters
BarnBuster
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Budzbuddha
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I use it. For any transplant ( regular photo strains ) it has worked for me. It provides a buffer for plants to whether most stress issues. Example : had a mango Kush transplant from 4" pot to 3 gallon almost go south. It was because some of the fragile new roots on the root ball were damaged. ( my fault ) but plant was not recovering very well after 2 days. I use 2 drops ( very concentrated product - you don't need much. ) In 8 oz. of water.
In LESS than 12 hours leaves were up and straight. Use in moderation during initial veg stage ( early veg ). In several grows I used with and without. It's boosts shocked , stressed plants back. It does NOT promote flowering or Bud building but is a product that has been around a long time. ( that should tell you there is a reason ) For Cannabis , it has a small use but for regular gardening ( foliage , vines ,hedges , etc. ) it makes crazy growth. Word has it , that this product was sprayed on damaged foliage in Vietnam to bring back new growth left destroyed and trampled. ( then again they sprayed ANYTHING and EVERYTHING over there. )
In LESS than 12 hours leaves were up and straight. Use in moderation during initial veg stage ( early veg ). In several grows I used with and without. It's boosts shocked , stressed plants back. It does NOT promote flowering or Bud building but is a product that has been around a long time. ( that should tell you there is a reason ) For Cannabis , it has a small use but for regular gardening ( foliage , vines ,hedges , etc. ) it makes crazy growth. Word has it , that this product was sprayed on damaged foliage in Vietnam to bring back new growth left destroyed and trampled. ( then again they sprayed ANYTHING and EVERYTHING over there. )
chuck estevez
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ANOTHER UNIVERSITY, not some dude who swears by it, notice the pic of superjive in there study,lol
http://sfp.ucdavis.edu/files/144822.pdf
Bogus Products Polymers, growth activators, hormones, vitamins, fertilizers, worm castings, composts, compost teas, nutrients. Since none of these is a pesticide, there are no EPA, CAL EPA efficacy testing protocols required for registration, thus the claims can run to the extrem
http://sfp.ucdavis.edu/files/144822.pdf
Bogus Products Polymers, growth activators, hormones, vitamins, fertilizers, worm castings, composts, compost teas, nutrients. Since none of these is a pesticide, there are no EPA, CAL EPA efficacy testing protocols required for registration, thus the claims can run to the extrem
Budzbuddha
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chuck estevez
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In 1939 Better Homes and Gardens published a report that showed vitamin B1 resulted in huge rose flowers and giant daffodils among others. The myth was launched and fed on itself; after all if Better Homes and Gardens says it is true – by golly it is true!
Budzbuddha
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Since most of those " studies " are illuminati bullshit .... Haha
It has been and will continue to be used. " SOME GUYS " swear by many methods and products , just like those douchebag AN users. ( yes I went there ). Part of GOOD cannabis growing , is to experiment and use different methods. REAL WORLD tests by the individual grower is the only " research " you need. Screw the people that hide behind " lab coats " , I guess coffee grounds don't help plants either. If you follow the sheep , and don't try things , then how will you know ?
University studies ( funded usually by competitors ) are like whores , everybody knows one. Forget the bullshit ranting .... Look at this link shit.
Proof will always be in ACTUAL use. .... ( as he exits , microphone dropped ... BAM ! )
It has been and will continue to be used. " SOME GUYS " swear by many methods and products , just like those douchebag AN users. ( yes I went there ). Part of GOOD cannabis growing , is to experiment and use different methods. REAL WORLD tests by the individual grower is the only " research " you need. Screw the people that hide behind " lab coats " , I guess coffee grounds don't help plants either. If you follow the sheep , and don't try things , then how will you know ?
University studies ( funded usually by competitors ) are like whores , everybody knows one. Forget the bullshit ranting .... Look at this link shit.
Proof will always be in ACTUAL use. .... ( as he exits , microphone dropped ... BAM ! )
chuck estevez
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funny you mention coffee grounds,
http://puyallup.wsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/coffee-grounds.pdf
chuck estevez
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oh, and that wasn't the mic hitting the ground, that was your wallet, it slipped right through the hole they tore you when you bought that shit.
Budzbuddha
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Being that SUPERTHRIVE costs $6 bucks at my local shop , I guess if you take your recyclables in then maybe you can get some too.
chuck estevez
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Being the great gardener, I am, I can transplant my plants with very little stress. The fewer bottles of bullshit in my experience has proven to be equal to the university studies and science that you so denounce.
Budzbuddha
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Seems like they like it to me ...
Added 1 drop to 4 oz. Water , used to pre-wet soil . Prior to seed.
Added 1 drop to 4 oz. Water , used to pre-wet soil . Prior to seed.
Budzbuddha
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chuck estevez
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BTW, Had a bottle in the cupboard for years, and your pics are not proof of it working or doing ANYTHING. but if you feel good about it, good 4 you. 
chuck estevez
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without superjive
