Guide to cannabis legalization predicts home-grown pot will give municipalities headaches

gb123

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tuff :)

OTTAWA - Municipalities will have to grapple with a host of thorny issues once recreational cannabis is legalized in Canada - but it's the matter of home-grown marijuana plants that's expected to cause them the biggest headaches.

The Federation of Canadian Municipalities has developed a guide to legalization, released Monday, to help identify the challenges and regulatory options for dealing with them that municipal governments across the country will face once the prohibition on cannabis use is lifted later this year.

The federation warns that developing the rules governing legal cannabis production, sales and consumption could involve as many as 17 different municipal departments covering everything from land use and zoning to business licensing and public consumption.

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But the guide singles out the proposed federal law's provision allowing a residential dwelling to grow up to four marijuana plants as the most problematic.

"The issue of home cultivation of cannabis - even with a four-plant limit in place - is one that will require public consultation," the guide says.

"It is also the issue that will be the most challenging for municipalities to decide on whether to develop a regulatory response. ... Of all the regulations that might be considered in relation to the legalization of cannabis, this one has the potential to generate the greatest number of enforcement complaints."

The warning is based on the bitter experience of municipalities, which have struggled for years with "major problems" caused by the legal home cultivation of marijuana for medicinal purposes.

"It has meant a significantly compromised housing stock, heavy demands on policing resources, local nuisance complaints and erosion of the culture of compliance on which the effectiveness of local bylaws largely depends," the guide says.

Health Canada issues licences to individuals authorized to grow medical marijuana at home, but the guide says the federal department has failed to enforce the limits on the number of allowable plants. Moreover, it says many of the licences allow home cultivation "at a scale (hundreds of plants) that is simply inappropriate for a typical residential dwelling."

Given that experience, the guide says "municipalities may be skeptical about whether or not people will comply with the four-plant limit (for recreational cannabis) and if the federal government will enforce the rule."

It suggests local governments might want to consider requiring licences for home cultivation, but notes it's "worth evaluating whether citizens would be likely to comply with such a requirement."

Alternatively, the guide suggests municipalities could enact nuisance bylaws to deal with problems that might be associated with home cultivation, such as any odour produced.

Each province and territory is developing its own legal regime for cannabis production and consumption. Quebec and Manitoba have chosen to prohibit home cultivation altogether, despite the four-plant limit allowed under the proposed federal law. If their prohibition is challenged in court, Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould has said the federal law will prevail.

The four western provinces have chosen to allow private retail operators to sell cannabis, while Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island plan to sell it only through existing provincial liquor control outlets.

Depending on how much leeway a province or territory leaves for its municipalities, the guide says local governments will have to consider whether changes are needed to rules governing zoning, land use, retail locations, residential cultivation, business licensing, building codes, nuisance, smoking restrictions, municipal workplace safety, enforcement, public consumption, personal possession and local policing costs.

They may, for instance, want to prevent clustering of cannabis retail outlets in one area, forbid them from opening near schools or prohibit consumption in municipally owned parks, community centres or recreational facilities. On the other hand, some municipalities may want to create "tourist commercial districts" or make an exception to smoking bylaws to allow "cannabis cafes" to spring up.

The guide says municipalities will also need to consider possible changes to business regulations to ensure commercial cultivation and processing facilities, as well as retail outlets, take sufficient security precautions, restrict outdoor signs or limit the hours of operations, among other things.

"Local governments will face significant new enforcement and operational challenges in the months and years ahead," federation president Jenny Gerbasi says in a foreword to the guide.

"There is a world of bylaws to develop and business licensing rules to review."
 

Novabudd

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Yep more rules and regs. Im sure we'll all comply. Really. Honest.:p

As usual the govt has created a boondoggle crapshow of the whole thing. EG : in my area the nearest legal outlet to buy is over an hour drive. More business for the local entrepeneur :clap::clap: the way i see it. You can also be sure lots of us in the back country will have "four" honkin big ol gals growing in our veggie gardens. No more of course because that would be illegal:mrgreen:.
When the govts first started discussions on legalization they openly stated that the number one issue they had was " how are we going to tax this product and at what rate" . Now of course they claim to be doing it to protect the health of canadians by ensuring only high quality weed would be made available. Riiiiight. There's been talk lately of taxing it like tobacco and liquor. Oh my Heavens i could never have guessed. Anything the govt has a hand in ( usually in the wallet pocket of canadians) will be a clusterfuck of epic porportions. And while its happening, the local home growers will be supplying great product at fair prices.
Sorry, kind of run off at the mouth there but mention govt and i get all heebie jeebie.
 

The Hippy

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Yep more rules and regs. Im sure we'll all comply. Really. Honest.:p

As usual the govt has created a boondoggle crapshow of the whole thing. EG : in my area the nearest legal outlet to buy is over an hour drive. More business for the local entrepeneur :clap::clap: the way i see it. You can also be sure lots of us in the back country will have "four" honkin big ol gals growing in our veggie gardens. No more of course because that would be illegal:mrgreen:.
When the govts first started discussions on legalization they openly stated that the number one issue they had was " how are we going to tax this product and at what rate" . Now of course they claim to be doing it to protect the health of canadians by ensuring only high quality weed would be made available. Riiiiight. There's been talk lately of taxing it like tobacco and liquor. Oh my Heavens i could never have guessed. Anything the govt has a hand in ( usually in the wallet pocket of canadians) will be a clusterfuck of epic porportions. And while its happening, the local home growers will be supplying great product at fair prices.
Sorry, kind of run off at the mouth there but mention govt and i get all heebie jeebie.
Pretty much got all that right. Welcome to our little club. We need more soldiers here. You seem to feel the same way we do.
 

gb123

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That's a given :wall::cuss:
and the smart ones will just continue what they have always done... :idea::blsmoke::bigjoint::weed:(:

as stupid as that seems. and we are legalizing why again?
oh yes to "add more criminality to our already fucked up laws under the guise of helping sick and being forced by the courts
so YA!:hump:
 

Novabudd

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IMHO the 1st year of legalization is going to be a real shit show for municipalities and enforcement. They might bust a few growers but for some of us, our relatively remote sites are going to be quite safe for awhile. The local market growers i've talked to anticipate an increase in business as more folks will be inclined to fire up a twisty without fear of getting slapnuts from the RCMP. The nearest legal outlet is an hours drive from here while local grows are pretty handy. Where i live we never ever see a blue-lighter. Ever. Pretty much a one lane dirt road with miles of heavy woods all around us. When municipalities and the fed police get their collective shit together there will probably be some headaches and anxious monents for local grows. We dont expect that to happen very soon .
 

VIANARCHRIS

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How are they going to know who is growing? They won't be getting a judge to grant search warrants to look for 4 plants. They're just putting out feelers for more money from the feds. I look after a camp with 4 houses and 12 cabins and I have it to myself 10 months out of the year...maybe I'll grow 4 plants in each and see what happens....?
 

Novabudd

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Its all political BS as far as the 4 plant rule goes. The man just doesnt have the resources to police all the rural areas for compliance to that totally stupid rule of 4 plants per household. :bigjoint: we'll get by.
 

gb123

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If you grow indoors, Hydro will know. Smart meters can easily track and log light cycles.
the only deal is HYDRO aint the RCMP and or do they care or should I say THEY CARE about how much you use and are happy to sell it to you. You are no concern to them and they will not give you up unless asked with a warrant!:idea:
Just so everyone knows this info
Hydro LOVES YOU USING THEIR SHIT! ;)

There are ways to jossile your power so it doesnt all come on at once and they cant say what 3000 watts of hydro you are using..could be anything. I could give you a list and youd be like OH YA Theres NO FRIGGIN WAY!
and really they dont care how much you use its when you DONT USE IT is when they wonder whats goinn on?!?!
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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["It has meant a significantly compromised housing stock, heavy demands on policing resources, local nuisance complaints and erosion of the culture of compliance on which the effectiveness of local bylaws largely depends," the guide says.]

i believe you're talking about area's with commercial grow spaces, not residential. landlords don't rasie the rents unless they thnk you're making money off of them somehow. why would it cause heavy demands on local police? they don't have any reason to inspect legal grows. ...."an erosion of the culture of compliance".....that sounds like a good thing to me....why do you have a "culture of compliance"? do you need to be a sheepherder instead of a law enforcement officer?

[Health Canada issues licences to individuals authorized to grow medical marijuana at home, but the guide says the federal department has failed to enforce the limits on the number of allowable plants. Moreover, it says many of the licences allow home cultivation "at a scale (hundreds of plants) that is simply inappropriate for a typical residential dwelling."]

why did those licenses get issued to begin with, if they aren't appropriate? is the government not the issuing authority? why is the government issuing inappropriate licenses? if the federal government is failing to enforce something, maybe that should be a clue for you that they don't give a real shit about it?

[It suggests local governments might want to consider requiring licences for home cultivation, but notes it's "worth evaluating whether citizens would be likely to comply with such a requirement."]

that's a good idea, don't have a unified set of rules to follow, let every pissant podunk town make their own rules...nothing like a unified set of rules to keep things from getting complicated......

[Alternatively, the guide suggests municipalities could enact nuisance bylaws to deal with problems that might be associated with home cultivation, such as any odour produced.]

is it fucking legal or not? if it's legal, quit fucking with people growing it for fucks sake. if it's not legal, quit pretending it is.
pick one, you wishy washy motherfuckers.

[There is a world of bylaws to develop and business licensing rules to review."]

well, why the fuck aren't you busy working on it, instead of trying to find ways to fuck with people following the laws you just passed?
 

TheRealDman

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I know pay your Hydro bill on time and they don’t care....but, it’s not how much power that you use to let them know you’re growing (although they can flag that as well), it’s the 12/12 light cycles that are easily seen. All I’m saying is...if they wanna track indoor grows if/when it’s legal, they can.
 

gb123

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They want to sell Potto you and jail you for using it
they tell you as much ! :)
They were forced after all by the sick fucks! (court)and this is their way of trying to get even! 8)
 

Novabudd

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I know pay your Hydro bill on time and they don’t care....but, it’s not how much power that you use to let them know you’re growing (although they can flag that as well), it’s the 12/12 light cycles that are easily seen. All I’m saying is...if they wanna track indoor grows if/when it’s legal, they can.
And if you have a prick for a neighbor who rats you out, the cops can get the power records as evidence. I doubt thats going to be a big issue here.
 
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