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This is my friend’s plant, can anyone tell me what is wrong? I think he put too much ph down when he was flushing the coco soil, just before planting.

I only suspect this, cause i had a 250ml ph down, gave it to him to use a bit, then he gave it back almost half empty. He also said he flushed both pots with 5-5l water with ph down. He also added calmag to the water.

This is all i know, any answer is a huge help.
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Do coco, or soil. Not both. If coco feed it daily with nutrient solution to excessive runoff 1-2 times a day. Whatever keeps it moist for this phase veg all the way to flower which youll do 2x a day or more. Need a ec meter to measure runoff, if its high you need to play with x amount of day fed with long runoff.

Long runoff will flush out the salts and keep the ec measurements equal coming out to whats coming in. Start on the light side of nutrient dose like 1.0ec. It will later on show through its growth if it needs more or less ec, we can help with that later.

Ph should be 5.5-6.5 or 5.8-6.2. The runoff ph should be equal but if its high to me thats a bacteria build up issue and low ph is well idk. I think I read just salt build up but if the ec in and out is good then I wouldnt worry. Its better than high ph to me which bugs contributed to.

I can tell thats mostly coco. Whats the bag of it called?
 
Your like the 3rd person I told this to this last week lol. Its a trend. Really people could help if they were simply here but growers that do coco with soil aint around to help its not a common method. As I explained what to do with coco, when you throw soil into the mix its a different monster now.

Frankly when the coco dries its not like a dryback cycle in soil where even that still has some moisture. Coco gets bone dry, accumilates salts as the water evaporates. Those two things alone kill my plants in coco.

Theres many soil growers and coco growers to help which it is quiet here but you should get help eventually. Mix soil with coco and theres like noone to get help from and its typically a new grower which just makes it harder.

To me coco was the easiest but even I needed a few years hands on to get to where Im at today.
 
medidedicated said:
Do coco, or soil. Not both. If coco feed it daily with nutrient solution to excessive runoff 1-2 times a day. Whatever keeps it moist for this phase veg all the way to flower which youll do 2x a day or more. Need a ec meter to measure runoff, if its high you need to play with x amount of day fed with long runoff.

Long runoff will flush out the salts and keep the ec measurements equal coming out to whats coming in. Start on the light side of nutrient dose like 1.0ec. It will later on show through its growth if it needs more or less ec, we can help with that later.
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I agree that without knowing the history, just flush it through with about 1.0 EC at about 6.0-6.2 pH and feed it each day at that and then lower the pH to about 5.8 in a week or so.

medidedicated said:
Ph should be 5.5-6.5 or 5.8-6.2. The runoff ph should be equal but if its high to me thats a bacteria build up issue and low ph is well idk. I think I read just salt build up but if the ec in and out is good then I wouldnt worry. Its better than high ph to me which bugs contributed to.
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Runoff pH is almost always different from inflow pH due to the cation exchange with the plant - usually higher. It's normal and not even worth tracking unless there is a severe issue with the plant and you're having runoff EC issues that you can't correct.
 
Thats true and many schooled me that way when I first started but with time started to see select others measure it. I started reading up on it and theres lots to read its not just irrelevant.

Its up for debate I suppose but my healthy plants were equal in ph slightly more acidic. Tho my plants with bugs were always high ph and could probably see that without bugs in a poorly draining pot.

Thats my speculation I havent dug further into it but I intend to. I check it now at least once before harvest just to build my understanding.
 
Ok thats great this should be easily fixed but that plant is far behind might see better results just starting over. Could be close to harvest woth a new healjty plant by the time you get this one to bounce back. Tho could see how it responds in a couple wks.
 
Id also do something like 1-2 gallons taller and narrow. Easier to work with and arguebly produces better results. Plastic and fabric I found are very different. My fabric been better but not as much root mass as plastic but the plastic would get poor drainage easily.
 
medidedicated said:
Thats true and many schooled me that way when I first started but with time started to see select others measure it. I started reading up on it and theres lots to read its not just irrelevant.

Its up for debate I suppose but my healthy plants were equal in ph slightly more acidic. Tho my plants with bugs were always high ph and could probably see that without bugs in a poorly draining pot.

Thats my speculation I havent dug further into it but I intend to. I check it now at least once before harvest just to build my understanding.
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I didn't say it's irrelevant; there are times it becomes a useful secondary diagnostic tool. However, if your plants are healthy, thriving, and the EC is balanced, then there is nothing to be gained from runoff pH readings (other than "hey, the pH is 0.6 higher than the inflow pH").

On the other hand, too many new growers drill the plant in at 5.8 pH and see runoff figures of 6.8 pH and then lower the inflow pH and before you know it, they're feeding the plant at a 5.0 pH just to try and bring the outflow pH down to 5.8 and can't understand why they're frying their plant.
 
Funny thats what I actually saw someone do which I wouldnt do but theyre well known and respected. Their plants look great too as always. Maybe not to that extreme but not far off.
 
MickFoster said:
Another grower treating coco like soil. Tell your "friend" (chuckle) to do some research on coco growing.
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Haha, he is really my friend, but I totally understand the suspicions xD These are mine, 2-3 weeks older than my friend’s plant. I overdosed nutrients the first time. Left and right plants, the back is 1 week younger. The net supposed to be for Scorg, but this is my first time, and I’m almost sure I’m doing it wrong :D practice will make it betterIMG_6522.jpeg
 
Sparklecake90 said:
Haha, he is really my friend, but I totally understand the suspicions xD These are mine, 2-3 weeks older than my friend’s plant. I overdosed nutrients the first time. Left and right plants, the back is 1 week younger. The net supposed to be for Scorg, but this is my first time, and I’m almost sure I’m doing it wrong :D practice will make it betterView attachment 5468625
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Raise that net up some like 12 inches and allow them to grow a bit before forcing them outward. Probably would help if the spacing in the netting were a little tighter as well. Plants look good. :cool:
 
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