greenhouse feeding BIO line/Grokashi/seaweed product vs SUBCools living organic/notill qualitysoil?

Hey guys, I live in Europe and some things from subcools recipe were harder to find, on the otherhand there is greenhouse feeding BIO line, which is quite pricy but you just mix it with a soil, I saw some nice results from that. Im wondering if I can make it more economic in my situation by mixing SS and let it cook. Im also wondering if there is any chance to substitute some ingredients in the recipes.

In the U.S people are starting to follow Clackamas Coots rather than Subcool. Here is a look at his recipe list. I really don't find gypsum useful, so I replaced it with glacial rock dust and/or volcanic ash(Azomite).

For Blending and Topdressing:

Malted Barley

For Mixing in Soil:

Crustacean Meal

Kelp Meal

Neem Cake

Karanja Cake

Basalt

Gypsum

Oyster Shell Flour

Here is the Euro version of Azomite.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Remin-Volcanic-Rock-Dust-20Kg/dp/B005D4P8NC

exoticcloud said:

Hey guys, I live in Europe and some things from subcools recipe were harder to find, on the otherhand there is greenhouse feeding BIO line, which is quite pricy but you just mix it with a soil, I saw some nice results from that. Im wondering if I can make it more economic in my situation by mixing SS and let it cook. Im also wondering if there is any chance to substitute some ingredients in the recipes.

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I'm trying to see what that product line is using for inputs and it is very hard to find! I hate when companies try to keep contents a secret...

https://shop.greenhousefeeding.com/us/bio-grow/

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MustangStudFarm said:

In the U.S people are starting to follow Clackamas Coots rather than Subcool. Here is a look at his recipe list. I really don't find gypsum useful, so I replaced it with glacial rock dust and/or volcanic ash(Azomite).

For Blending and Topdressing:

Malted Barley

For Mixing in Soil:

Crustacean Meal

Kelp Meal

Neem Cake

Karanja Cake

Basalt

Gypsum

Oyster Shell Flour

Here is the Euro version of Azomite.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Remin-Volcanic-Rock-Dust-20Kg/dp/B005D4P8NC

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my apologies for late reply, this is very interesting I will find why people prefer this instead of subcools soil, will listen to some podcast with clackamas coot, Why did you choose it ? Do you seek your supplies in uk? I found one shop
I forgot to mention that I want to make this soil for my moms so they will be healthy, then maybe also for flowers
Thank you

MustangStudFarm said:

I'm trying to see what that product line is using for inputs and it is very hard to find! I hate when companies try to keep contents a secret...

https://shop.greenhousefeeding.com/us/bio-grow/

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yup they are not telling much about it there was a green house feeding podcast, I mean with those guys from greenhouse, they talk about it, they compare it to grokashi, results from what I saw on their greenhouse feeding ig page looks quite nice. I hate when companies keep it secret too, they mentioned some seaweed extracts and some other ingredients, but honestly I dont remember much, That page which got Clackamats Coonts soil ingredients, got it quite expensive, but maybe Im mistaken its indoororganics

MustangStudFarm said:

In the U.S people are starting to follow Clackamas Coots rather than Subcool. Here is a look at his recipe list. I really don't find gypsum useful, so I replaced it with glacial rock dust and/or volcanic ash(Azomite).

For Blending and Topdressing:

Malted Barley

For Mixing in Soil:

Crustacean Meal

Kelp Meal

Neem Cake

Karanja Cake

Basalt

Gypsum

Oyster Shell Flour

Here is the Euro version of Azomite.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Remin-Volcanic-Rock-Dust-20Kg/dp/B005D4P8NC

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I finaly got some time to research Clackamas, Im really thankful that you mentioned him, I like the recipe, even through I was quite dumb, karanja meal is just anise seed or anise aerial parts powder so it wont be that hard to source, amounts are not that big for the mixture either, that spalted barley and corn is the shit, tons of enzymes, I really low how this mix should symbiotically work together making plants stronger to strive off potentional pests.
Did you already made your soil brother? Im wondering how long this no till mix last and if topdressing and adding some silica and teas would be enough
thx

Sorry, karanja is NOT anise, but comes from the karanja tree and is closely related to neem (also from a tree), and usually come from India. The best certainly does. Check out neemresource.com for info.

A RLOS like Coot's mix is miles ahead of Subcools *super soil* and very few organic growers utilize Sub's recipe.

Wet

Wetdog said:

Sorry, karanja is NOT anise, but comes from the karanja tree and is closely related to neem (also from a tree), and usually come from India. The best certainly does. Check out neemresource.com for info.

A RLOS like Coot's mix is miles ahead of Subcools *super soil* and very few organic growers utilize Sub's recipe.

Wet

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Wetdog said:

Sorry, karanja is NOT anise, but comes from the karanja tree and is closely related to neem (also from a tree), and usually come from India. The best certainly does. Check out neemresource.com for info.

A RLOS like Coot's mix is miles ahead of Subcools *super soil* and very few organic growers utilize Sub's recipe.

Wet

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I will search more then, hopefully someone will sell it you got real advantage if you can buy the premixed kit. I like the idea that Coot not only sells it but shares his wisdom, recipes everything he learns from, for the good of everything, everybody, I really love the fact about this recipe, that these things I would take as supplements for myself no problem, but when it comes to super soil, too much animal products. Thank you for sharing wisdom

Hey great thread.
Subcools Super soil works.
Clackamas Cootz soil mix works.

I use both. And I get good results from both.
In Canada trying to find some of the ingredients is a pain. I tried to order things I heard about in a podcast or here in a forum or on a YouTube video and they just won't ship.
Example EM1 or grokashi. I tried to order them from amazon and I get a letter from the customs saying that my shipment was refused. So I had to find alternatives. There is things available in the states that is not available in Canada. And same goes for UK.
If you do find alternative ingredients please post them.

bearded.beaver said:

Hey great thread.
Subcools Super soil works.
Clackamas Cootz soil mix works.

I use both. And I get good results from both.
In Canada trying to find some of the ingredients is a pain. I tried to order things I heard about in a podcast or here in a forum or on a YouTube video and they just won't ship.
Example EM1 or grokashi. I tried to order them from amazon and I get a letter from the customs saying that my shipment was refused. So I had to find alternatives. There is things available in the states that is not available in Canada. And same goes for UK.
If you do find alternative ingredients please post them.

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You can DIY EM fairly easy, if a bit time consuming. There are threads in this forums. No EM1 is a PITA, but far from being a problem. Growers have been making their own for much longer than TeraGanix has been around.

Start a worm bin, for real. The microbes in fresh VC are really diverse and going strong. I'll apply fresh VC more for the organisms in it rather than any NPK value, but no matter my prefrence, it just brings so much to the table.

Wet

Wetdog said:

You can DIY EM fairly easy, if a bit time consuming. There are threads in this forums. No EM1 is a PITA, but far from being a problem. Growers have been making their own for much longer than TeraGanix has been around.

Start a worm bin, for real. The microbes in fresh VC are really diverse and going strong. I'll apply fresh VC more for the organisms in it rather than any NPK value, but no matter my prefrence, it just brings so much to the table.

Wet

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hey Wet, do you use em1 with your coots soil? Im wondering because in some podcast he was kind off discouraging when it comes to grokashi
Im asking about the em1 because I made it previously, Its fairly easy. It takes time but fortunately not a lot of work, reminds me of fermenting something.
Good advice you gave with the worm farm, how much of worms do you recommend for starting the farm?

bearded.beaver said:

Hey great thread.
Subcools Super soil works.
Clackamas Cootz soil mix works.

I use both. And I get good results from both.
In Canada trying to find some of the ingredients is a pain. I tried to order things I heard about in a podcast or here in a forum or on a YouTube video and they just won't ship.
Example EM1 or grokashi. I tried to order them from amazon and I get a letter from the customs saying that my shipment was refused. So I had to find alternatives. There is things available in the states that is not available in Canada. And same goes for UK.
If you do find alternative ingredients please post them.

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thanks man! one of my first threads here,
in that matter (I would say fuck the customs but at least the least they doing their job , oh I remembered they are ripping you off because of shit from us strategically , same shit here fuck them parasitic leeches)
The em1 you can made easily as Wet recommended and the grokashi, Im not sure if you can make it but maybe yes, Im not remembering now, but for sure you can get a small dime bag send as letter with grokashi grains and then with little practice, some pressure cooker you would be able to make unlimited amounts of grokashi grain, If Im wrong please Wet correct me. What are you guys using as pest control in flower? Would I found use for silica gel or should I rather then use natural sources of silica like rice hulls?
thank you

exoticcloud said:

hey Wet, do you use em1 with your coots soil? Im wondering because in some podcast he was kind off discouraging when it comes to grokashi
Im asking about the em1 because I made it previously, Its fairly easy. It takes time but fortunately not a lot of work, reminds me of fermenting something.
Good advice you gave with the worm farm, how much of worms do you recommend for starting the farm?
thank you

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IDK much about 'coots soil' since I have my own recipe that I've played with over the years that works very well for me and my environment. Likely very similar, but since I don't do social media at all I haven't seen his latest. Plus, back when he was posting at GCO he had the bad habit of posting a new recipe or tweak, but failing to mention if whatever didn't work out to expectations. We learn more from mistakes than successes, but not mentioning them and the what and why it happened does no one any favors.

I pretty much just made bokashi bran with my EM1. Added some when I was making fresh mixes, but the vast majority was fed to the worms then the resulting VC went on the plants. Most everything for the plants goes through the worm bin first.

A pound of worms is more than enough to start a bin. If you don't kill them with kindness you'll soon have more than you need. I run both red wigglers and euro nightcrawlers (NOT Canadian!), in the same bins and from 1 bin it's now 6. A tray type set up like the worm farm 360 is a good place to get started and you can expand as needed.

*I* don't care for rice hulls in my mix, but they work a treat in, you guessed it, a worm bin. Silica source and the worms do all the work. They and what they provide is really amazing.

Wet