Governor Cuomo squashes political speech like a mafia don would.

desert dude said:

It's like a bad dream, Bucky...


"A key go-to guy for many of the CDC’s studies was their favorite gun researcher, Arthur Kellermann, the director of Emory University’s Center for Injury Control. In a 1988 New England Journal of Medicine article, Kellermann and his coauthors cited a book written by James Wright and Peter Rossi titled “Under the Gun” to support their contention that “restricting access to handguns could substantially reduce our annual rate of homicide.” Yet the book actually says the opposite. With reference to that particular notion, it actually said: “There is no persuasive evidence that supports that view."

Still more obfuscation by the CDC researchers:

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CDC funded Kellermann and his colleagues to study whether guns in homes are a benefit or liability for protection from criminal intrusions. According to their examination of 198 incidents in which burglars entered occupied homes in Atlanta, they found that “only three individuals (1.5%) employed a firearm in self –defense”, therefore concluding that guns are rarely used. Closer examination of their data, however, tells a somewhat different story.


In 42% of those incidents, there was no confrontation between the victim and offender because, as they admitted, “the offender(s) either left silently or fled when detected.” When the burglar left silently, the intended victim wasn’t aware of the crime, and therefore had no opportunity to use a gun in self-defense, or alternatively, to call the police. The incidents where would-be intruders “fled when detected”, may actually indicate that that defensive gun ownership can be a crime deterrent, encouraging burglars to flee."

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Abstract To study the epidemiology of deaths involving firearms kept in the home, we reviewed all the gunshot deaths that occurred in King County, Washington (population 1,270,000), from 1978 through 1983. The medical examiner's case files were supplemented by police records or interviews with investigating officers or both, to obtain specific information about the circumstances, the scene of the incident, the type of firearm involved, and the relationship of the suspect to the victim. A total of 743 firearm-related deaths occurred during this six-year period, 398 of which (54 percent) occurred in the residence where the firearm was kept. Only 2 of these 398 deaths (0.5 percent) involved an intruder shot during attempted entry. Seven persons (1.8 percent) were killed in self-defense. For every case of self-protection homicide involving a firearm kept in the home, there were 1.3 accidental deaths, 4.6 criminal homicides, and 37 suicides involving firearms. Handguns were used in 70.5 percent of these deaths.
The advisability of keeping firearms in the home for protection must be questioned. (N Engl J Med 1986; 314: 1557–60.)

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cannabineer said:

It is very easy to tabulate instances of violence perpetrated with a gun.
It is difficult-to-impossible to tabulate instanced of violence prevented/averted due to the presence, or the credible likelihood thereof, of a gun.
That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. cn

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ginwilly said:

We should get funding to study this. My early findings are it's 83% of crimes are prevented by the legal ownership of a gun but we'll need more money to be sure. Otherwise I'm good with 83%, let's get it published.

Besides, how sweet would it be to take money from the fear mongering, power grabbing, anti-gun nuts to fund this study. Let's cut funding to planned parenthood for it, even better.

Seriously, we both hold degrees in science. We are just as qualified for our study as the CDC was for theirs. Make this happen, I need a new bike and want a pony.

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UncleBuck said:

a mowed lawn and thorny bushes have probably prevented more break ins than guns have.

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cannabineer said:

Possible but entirely beyond backing with the numbers. cn

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ginwilly said:

Can we get funding for that study? My early findings are that with both a mowed lawn AND thorny bushes has been shown to be 1/1000000 as effective as a gun in preventing break ins. I'm willing to publish this data as is lacking mo money.

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UncleBuck said:

don't even get me started on motion activated flood lights, barking dogs, and security company stickers.

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UncleBuck said:

you fucking rock.

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UncleBuck said:

don't even get me started on motion activated flood lights, barking dogs, and security company stickers.

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kelly4 said:

Teenyboppers steal your plants...you give advice on security. You're the last person people should take home security tips from.

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UncleBuck said:

that happened when i had no security whatsoever.

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