Government Deception ...

ViRedd

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Government Deception

Walter E. Williams
Wednesday, April 08, 2009


Most Americans accept the continuing attack on tobacco companies and smokers, but how do they feel about the massive government deception? In 1998, 46 state attorneys general and major tobacco companies signed the Master Settlement Agreement. The major tobacco companies agreed, among other things, to give states $240 billion over 25 years to provide for smoking cessation programs and cover the health costs associated with using their product. In return state attorneys general promised tobacco companies that they wouldn't sue them and would use their lawmaking power to protect the major tobacco companies from competition from small tobacco companies. Of the $80 billion extorted so far, states have spent about 30 percent on health, not all tobacco-related, and less than 6 percent on smoking cessation programs. Instead, state legislatures spent the bulk of their tobacco money for items such as museum building, tax relief, rainy-day funds and other expenditures having nothing to do with tobacco or health.

The U.S. Congress' deception was, and continues to be, a major player in our financial meltdown. In congressional hearings, before the meltdown, on the soundness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Rep. Maxine Waters said, "Through nearly a dozen hearings, we were frankly trying to fix something that wasn't broke. Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and particularly at Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Franklin Raines." Rep. Barney Frank, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee, said, "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis.

The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." Other congressmen gave similar assurances. Unfortunately for our nation, the forces pushing for "affordable" housing won the day and saddled us with today's unprecedented financial disaster. How stupid is it of us to ask those who brought us "affordable" housing to now turn their attention to bringing us "affordable" health care?

Congressional deception about government finances means today's children will face a financial disaster that will make today's mess seem like a walk in the park. What's called the public debt stands at $11 trillion and growing. That pales in comparison to the federal government's unfunded liability -- obligations that are not covered by an asset of equal or greater value.

Mike Whalen, former policy chairman of the Dallas-based National Center for Policy Analysis, commenting on last year's Social Security Trustees annual report on the state of the Social Security and Medicare programs, said, "The report on the state of entitlement programs is rather grim -- the combined unfunded liabilities of both programs are $101 trillion." What that means is that in order for government to make good on its promises, Congress would have to put aside tens of trillions of dollars in the bank today. Keep in mind that our GDP is only $14 trillion.

In the absence of massive tax increases or cuts in benefits, in order to meet its promises Congress must cease spending on one in four programs by 2020, such as education and highway construction, and one in two by 2030, and by 2050 or so all federal revenue will be spent supporting Social Security, Medicare and prescription drug benefits. Such a scenario is unsustainable. There will be economic and political chaos. Today's politicians are not likely to take measures to avoid the coming chaos because senior citizens, the major beneficiaries of Social Security and Medicare, vote in large numbers and will exact a high political price. Plus, neither today's senior citizens nor today's politicians will be alive in 2050. I'd be more optimistic if my fellow Americans were simply suffering from congressional deception as opposed to their not caring about the economic calamity that awaits tomorrow's Americans. I'd be even more optimistic if today's seniors started putting heat on Congress to allow those Americans who want nothing to do with Social Security to opt out.
 

misshestermoffitt

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Next election cycle, let's vote them all out, regardless of party.

Fire the whole lot of them, let's spare not a one of them.

I'm sure that isn't even the tip of the iceberg where government deception is concerned.
 

Mcgician

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I've never smoked cigarettes in my life, but I can't stand the bullshit legislation the governments of the world have enacted against the tobacco companies. No person on the planet can possibly think that smoking tobacco is good for them. If they truly are so stupid as to need some kind of government ad campaign to realize that, then I say let the survival of the least intelligent be swallowed up by their own stupidity and weed out the gene pool. Companies having to spend money marketing AGAINST their own product(s) is by far the most assinine. Alcohol and tobacco products have become nothing more than a socially acceptable means of "sin taxation" and have become, as expected, a huge crutch that government funding leans on far too much. Am I surprised that they aren't spending the money on what they're supposed to? Not in the least. Typical, and totally expected of larger, more demanding, and intrusive governments.
 

misshestermoffitt

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I've noticed in increasing number of people texting into the news about taxation without representation. I think the revolution is gearing up.

Hey VI, I wonder where we can get some of those bumper stickers printed up?
 

Maybetomorrow

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I could get the stickers made. That is a nice article you have there i feels as if they are taxing us more because of bad spending. Why do they throw money at the banking system that put us in the hole( they say that the auto companys made bad cars? What about giving someone a 250k house who make 35k a year? With not guidelines as how to spend it. But the heart of the country the automobile industry is given small amounts of cash with huge guidelines. I think the Goverment forgot about how all the auto factory's went into war production. Did you forget about that? Sorry just upset that auto industry is looked at like its the ugly duckling. And if they are going to raise the price of smokes then let me grow my own plants.


Venting thanks. . .
 

max420thc

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you ever hear of the fairness in lending act?
it was put in under clinton that MADE banks MAKE bad loans to people who could not pay them back
this was another political correct mess run amuck .
thank you clinton / democrats for bankrupting the world..dumb shits.
we just had to loan piles and piles of money to people because they were black / hispanic / poor stupid white trash.
KNOWING they cant pay it back. clintons legacy is huge amounts of private debt that floated his government boat making it look good till he stepped off of the ship and the debt come due.
 

misshestermoffitt

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People need to learn to live within their means. GM may file for bankrupty after all, they got their bailout, they turned it into bonus checks, now they're still in the hole and we're the chumps holding the fucking bag.

If I didn't live within my means, nobody is going to charge in and save my ass. The CEO's made the decision to turn all the profits into paychecks, well now when their company sinks, they can deal with the pissed off employees on their lawn, on their own. Hope they got some security guards with their bonus bucks.
 

medicineman

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Here's another kicker ... The employees at Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac are set to recieve 210 million in bonuses. Nary a word about it from the fascist zealots in the Democrat congress though.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2009/04/fannie-freddie-bonuses-give-employees-reasonable-incentive-to-perform.html

Vi
Geeze VI, chill out before you blow a gasket. I think it's time for you to retire. Take all those duckets you have and relax. take a few trips, maybe a cruise with one of your "lady" friends, or "boy" friends for that matter. You are so angry and it does no good at all. Most of your posts are just foaming at the mouth anti-commie rants. You can't change one fucking thing. Mellow out. Get a hobby. If I had your money, I'd certainly find better things to do than rant on an MJ site. I'd probably buy a vacation place in the tropics and spend a lot of time there with family and friends. Just think of how jealous you could make me by posting from your villa in Costa Rica.
 

ViRedd

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Geeze VI, chill out before you blow a gasket. I think it's time for you to retire. Take all those duckets you have and relax. take a few trips, maybe a cruise with one of your "lady" friends, or "boy" friends for that matter. You are so angry and it does no good at all. Most of your posts are just foaming at the mouth anti-commie rants. You can't change one fucking thing. Mellow out. Get a hobby. If I had your money, I'd certainly find better things to do than rant on an MJ site. I'd probably buy a vacation place in the tropics and spend a lot of time there with family and friends. Just think of how jealous you could make me by posting from your villa in Costa Rica.
With all due respect ... go fuck yourself, Med. :lol:

Aren't you the guy who continually ranted and whined about the expansion of the federal debt incurred under the Bush administration? Why no ranting with the expansion of the debt under Obama? Hell man ... Obama, in three months, has already tripled what Bush did in eight years.

Now go pound sand.

Vi
 

medicineman

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With all due respect ... go fuck yourself, Med. :lol:

Aren't you the guy who continually ranted and whined about the expansion of the federal debt incurred under the Bush administration? Why no ranting with the expansion of the debt under Obama? Hell man ... Obama, in three months, has already tripled what Bush did in eight years.

Now go pound sand.

Vi
So that's your response, "Go fuck your self" what a maniacal asshole you are VI. After all this time I've tried to be your friend and you demean me like that, for shame. I guess that means we are no longer friends, I'm heart broken, ~LOL~, asshole!
 

ViRedd

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So that's your response, "Go fuck your self" what a maniacal asshole you are VI. After all this time I've tried to be your friend and you demean me like that, for shame. I guess that means we are no longer friends, I'm heart broken, ~LOL~, asshole!
Aw, come on Med. Just because I said "go fuck yourself," don't take it personally. :blsmoke:

Vi
 

KaliKitsune

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You *DO* realize that part of the reason they were given that bailout was so they could hold up to legal contractual obligations - those bonuses were in contracts without stipulations. I was watching C-SPAN when they were discussing this on the floor this was specifically mentioned.

Just because we don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. A contract is still a contract.
 

medicineman

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You *DO* realize that part of the reason they were given that bailout was so they could hold up to legal contractual obligations - those bonuses were in contracts without stipulations. I was watching C-SPAN when they were discussing this on the floor this was specifically mentioned.

Just because we don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. A contract is still a contract.
Did those contracts say anything about performance. Seems like they actually underperformed by a whole bunch. If there were any fairness, those execs should be giving back their salaries and recieving debits for bonuses.
 

medicineman

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Nope, nothing mentioned about performance in the contracts - as I said - no stipulations.
Seems more like giveaways than contracts. Don't contracts have to have a little giving by both sides. Like I'll give you 500.00 for that car. or I'll give you 10,000.00 for that room addition. It makes sense that a contractual agreement should benefit both sides. Where is the benefit to the company?
 

KaliKitsune

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I'm willing to bet that there's government involvement. For all of this crap to be happening to us there has to be some complicity on the government's part.

As for the contract - sometimes companies give up a little more for a longer-term gain, if they can see it for such. Sometimes they weaken their contracts just to hire someone they want. It's all a give-take, usually never fair and balanced.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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I'm willing to bet that there's government involvement. For all of this crap to be happening to us there has to be some complicity on the government's part.

As for the contract - sometimes companies give up a little more for a longer-term gain, if they can see it for such. Sometimes they weaken their contracts just to hire someone they want. It's all a give-take, usually never fair and balanced.
They weaken their contracts just to hire some one they want.

Sounds fair and balanced.

At least to the company and to the person they wanted to hire, and those are the only parties that need be concerned by it.
 
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