Going Completely Organic.

Chem Dawg

Chem Dawg

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As the title states I'm looking to go completely organic for my next run. As of now I'm using a 50/50 mix of fox farm ocean forest & light warrior for soil. I've been using they're trio pack also but have been told that grow big @ tiger bloom are not organic. So I will replace those with necessary nutes. I also use grandmas molasses . I've been looking @ humboldts organic nute line and was curious if anyone has any experience with them? Or maybe there is a better choice ? I'd appreciate any help with this.
Thanks in advance.
 
yea man, i too am switching to all organics for my 2nd run. My set up is gana be raised beds, & i'm going to go the brewing tea route. Teas are the best in my opinion when doing organics.

I'm also going to get an R.O. filter, & for ferts i'll be using stuff like; cold pressed kelp, humic acid, fish meal, guanos, azomite, dolomite lime & oyster shell flour (PH buffer). I can't wait to get this thing started! & yea i'm going to a journal for that 1 :)
 
purpz said:
yea man, i too am switching to all organics for my 2nd run. My set up is gana be raised beds, & i'm going to go the brewing tea route. Teas are the best in my opinion when doing organics.

I'm also going to get an R.O. filter, & for ferts i'll be using stuff like; cold pressed kelp, humic acid, fish meal, guanos, azomite, dolomite lime & oyster shell flour (PH buffer). I can't wait to get this thing started! & yea i'm going to a journal for that 1 :)
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Nice bro! Yea if you into quality tasty smoke then organics is a no brainer. Would you mind explaining the tea method and what it requires.. I'm totally noobular dude!! Lol.
 
Dude, dont waste your money on brand-name organic nutrients.... Really its all the same... Bat and worm shit with some fish guts mixed with some seaweed, and a little molasses for flavor. Haha but really just buy a air pump a 5 gal bucket and make some tea! Got everything I needed and like 5 things more for less that 70 dollars total, thats for a complete outdoor grow. I spent that alone on a short cycle hydro setup up on like 2 bottles of Advance Nutes...

Read up a little more on it, but dude making tea for your girls is the way to go 100% organic and know its 100% organic! And it makes some tasty monster budz!
 
RO water isn't the best thing for soil and even more so for organic soil. It's dead water, so is distilled.

Mixing it 1/2&1/2 with tap will work, if your tap is that bad that you can't use just that.

I'm not going to get all scientific about it and dig up all that research again, but the nutshell is, RO for hydro, not soil.

Wet
 
if you use tap water with your teas the chlorine will kill the microbes, that's why i use r.o.
 
another route is to aerate a reservoir of water for 24 hours to let chlorine evaporate.
much cheaper then R.O. and you don't lose all the good micro nutrients in tap water.
 
Pick up the BioBizz starter pack. 100% organic, and has everything for less than 40 bucks, Amsterdam's finest.. Fox Farms is trash. Their soil is good, but everything else is trash, IMO.
 
try using Blue Mountain Organics...100% organic. buy it on ebay they always throw in some extras as well. great stuff and very reasonable. search this site for it also and see what others think. easy to use and works incredibly well. shann
 
purpz said:
if you use tap water with your teas the chlorine will kill the microbes, that's why i use r.o.
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Get those aquarium drops that neutralize chlorine/chloramine. 1 drop/gallon and problem solved.

The teas, microbes and the soil really need the minerals in the water.

RO or distilled isn't even healthy to drink for any length of time, unless it has been re mineralized.

Wet
 
Good Idea going organics, sounds like you want to a simple form of organics by using a brand name what are you going to grow in ProMix Coco dirt or a mix? If you want to buy bottled than I would recommend Botaicare Pro with Liquid Carma and Cal mag. Simple and effective. Now If your lazy and just want to water check out my post here https://www.rollitup.org/organics/422715-organic-soil-basics-help-please-2.html#post5561950 on how I mix my simple soil. Happy growingthis is what you can do

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thats wicked awesome, but the botanicare line has EDTA in it. no bueno for organics. you want ya some Super Bloom... best buy and best results I've encountered. I spent more on gas trying to round up these ingredients than this stuff cost (and thats when gas was cheap last year!)
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www.organicdynamics.com
 
bobbypyn said:
thats wicked awesome, but the botanicare line has EDTA in it. no bueno for organics. you want ya some Super Bloom... best buy and best results I've encountered. I spent more on gas trying to round up these ingredients than this stuff cost (and thats when gas was cheap last year!)
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www.organicdynamics.com
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Not sure what your point is on the EDTA the stuff is in all kinds of things and as far as organics in a bottle you will find EDTA in many products.

In similar manner, EDTA is added to some food as a preservative or stabilizer to prevent catalytic oxidative decolouration, which is catalyzed by metal ions.[8] In personal care products, it is added to cosmetics to improve their stability toward air.[9] In soft drinks containing ascorbic acid and sodium benzoate, EDTA mitigates formation of benzene (a carcinogen).[10]
 
woodsmaneh! said:
Good Idea going organics, sounds like you want to a simple form of organics by using a brand name what are you going to grow in ProMix Coco dirt or a mix? If you want to buy bottled than I would recommend Botaicare Pro with Liquid Carma and Cal mag. Simple and effective. Now If your lazy and just want to water check out my post here https://www.rollitup.org/organics/422715-organic-soil-basics-help-please-2.html#post5561950 on how I mix my simple soil. Happy growingthis is what you can do

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Beauteous plants bro!! I was just researching how to make a super soil so I'll def be giving your thread a look over. I'll head over there now bro.. Thanks!
 
Wetdog said:
Get those aquarium drops that neutralize chlorine/chloramine. 1 drop/gallon and problem solved.

The teas, microbes and the soil really need the minerals in the water.

RO or distilled isn't even healthy to drink for any length of time, unless it has been re mineralized.

Wet
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no no no. don't use aquarium chems for the water your putting in organic soil, let it (your city water from tap) sit out for 24hr (while being mixed with a pump or air stone) and let the chems (chlorine) evap out..
 
[FONT=&quot]Recirculating solution culture systems such as NFT & DWC have less buffering capacity to water treatment chemical residues than organic media-based systems.

The key to getting rid of chlorine is to let it sit out in a pail, large surface area is important and let it off gas for 48 hrs. minimum.

To get rid of chloramines get a charcoal/activated carbon filter.


Water treatment options used by municipal suppliers change over time and hydroponic growers should be aware of the implications of these. Many years ago the main concern was the use of chlorine as a disinfection agent to destroy bacteria and human pathogens. Chlorine had the advantage in that it disinfected water effectively; however, residual chlorine in water sources, which could often be detected by smell, could be toxic to sensitive plants and where it built up in certain hydroponics systems. Also when chlorine reacts with organic matter it forms substances (trihalomethanes) which are linked to increased risk of cancer and other health problems. Chlorine was, however, quite easy to remove from water with the use of aeration or even just aging the water a few days before irrigating plants. In the 1990’s it was found that some organisms such as Cryptosporidium were resistant to chlorine and the resulting health issues from this meant that drinking water regulations were changed and alternative disinfection methods began to be used. These included use of ozone and UV light, chloramines (chlorine plus ammonia) and chlorine dioxide.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

Filtration, flocculation, settling, UV and ozone used for water supply treatment are non problematic as far as hydroponic systems go, as they leave no residue and are effective. However, use of chloramines and some of the other chemicals by municipal water treatment plants may still pose problems where high levels are regularly dosed into water supplies. Chloramines are much more persistent than chlorine and take a lot longer to dissipate from treated water, so gardeners who are concerned can use a couple of different treatment methods just as those with aquarium fish often choose to do. There are specifically designed activated carbon filters which can remove most of the chloramines in a domestic water supply and also ‘dechloraminating’ chemical or water conditioners available in pet shops. Carbon filters must be of the correct type that have a high quality granular activated carbon and allow a longer contact time which is required for chloramines removal. Even then not every trace may be removed, but levels are lowered enough to prevent problems. Use of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) is also used in the industry, and by laboratories to remove chloramines from water after they have done their disinfection job.
Chemicals are also added to drinking water to adjust its hardness or softness, pH and alkalinity. Water that is naturally acidic is corrosive to pipes and sodium hydroxide may be added to reduce this. Sodium is a contaminate we don’t need in hydroponic systems, but may be present at surprisingly high levels in certain water supplies. Domestic water softeners may also contaminate the water with sodium which is not seen as a problem for drinking, but can run amuck with a well balanced hydroponic system and sodium sensitive crop.

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woodsmaneh! said:
Not sure what your point is on the EDTA the stuff is in all kinds of things and as far as organics in a bottle you will find EDTA in many products.

In similar manner, EDTA is added to some food as a preservative or stabilizer to prevent catalytic oxidative decolouration, which is catalyzed by metal ions.[8] In personal care products, it is added to cosmetics to improve their stability toward air.[9] In soft drinks containing ascorbic acid and sodium benzoate, EDTA mitigates formation of benzene (a carcinogen).[10]
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the point is EDTA is NOT ORGANIC and it's toxic to your beneficial bacteria. I don't care; use it all you want, but you're not organic, you're "organic based" if you do. in a finely tuned FULLY ORGANIC system, EDTA will drop your yeilds through the floor. so keep recommending it's use by all means, but don't tell people your product is organic cuz it ain't. I learned all this from the Cultivation Editor at Skunk Magazine so if you take umbrage with what I'm tellin ya, take it up with the Rev.
 
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