Genocide

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WASHINGTON, DC – Earlier today, on the eve of Easter and the April 24th National Day of Prayer for the victims of the Armenian Genocide, President Barack Obama again betrayed his pledge to properly condemn and commemorate this crime against humanity, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).

Despite his repeated, detailed, and unambiguous pledges to recognize the Armenian Genocide, the President offered only euphemisms and evasive terminology to describe the murder of over 1.5 million men women and children - effectively keeping in place the gag rule imposed by the Turkish government on the open and honest discussion of this crime. In refusing, under foreign pressure from Turkey, to his honor his pledge, he again fell far short of his own view, as voiced during his campaign, that America deserves a President who uses the term "genocide" to convey the full factual, moral, legal, and contemporary political meaning of this crime against all humanity.

“President Obama's disgraceful capitulation to Turkey’s threats, his complicity in Turkey's denials, and his Administration’s active opposition to Congressional recognition of the Armenian Genocide represent the very opposite of the principled and honest change he promised to bring to our country’s response to this crime,” said ANCA Chairman Ken Hachikian.

“Instead of standing up for the truth, and standing by the extensive U.S. record on the Armenian Genocide, President Obama is today, under threat from an increasingly unfriendly foreign power, standing in the way of the broad-based American civil society consensus for a truthful and just resolution of this crime,” added Hachikian.

"For a President who ran for office on the platform of ‘change’ and ‘honesty’, his record on this score – including, notably, his deeply offensive reference today to ‘contested history,’ has been shameful. He has, in addition to betraying his own words and compromising America’s moral standing, gravely disappointed Armenians here in the United States, in Armenia, and around the world who had looked to him as an example of courage, conviction, and conscience,” continued Hachikian

As a Senator and later as a Presidential candidate, President Obama pledged repeatedly to recognize the Armenian Genocide, stating, "America deserves a leader who speaks truthfully about the Armenian Genocide and responds forcefully to all genocides. I intend to be that President." View his record on the issue at: http://www.anca.org/change/docs/Obama_Armenian_Genocide.pdf

Since then the President has, while asserting that his personal views of the events of 1915 have not changed, refused to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide, mobilized his Administration to block Congressional recognition of this crime, and deployed his Secretary of State and diplomatic corps to pressure Armenia into the Ankara-driven Turkey-Armenia Protocols. The Administration has also failed to honor the President’s numerous commitments on a range of other Armenian issues, including Nagorno Karabakh, foreign aid, and bilateral trade.

President Obama's complete statement is provided below.

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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 23, 2011

Statement by the President on Armenian Remembrance Day

We solemnly remember the horrific events that took place ninety-six years ago, resulting in one of the worst atrocities of the 20th century. In 1915, 1.5 million Armenians were massacred or marched to their death in the final days of the Ottoman Empire. I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view of that history has not changed. A full, frank, and just acknowledgement of the facts is in all our interests.

Contested history destabilizes the present and stains the memory of those whose lives were taken, while reckoning with the past lays a sturdy foundation for a peaceful and prosperous shared future. History teaches us that our nations are stronger and our cause is more just when we appropriately recognize painful pasts and work to rebuild bridges of understanding toward a better tomorrow. The United States knows this lesson well from the dark chapters in our own history.

I support the courageous steps taken by individuals in Armenia and Turkey to foster a dialogue that acknowledges their common history. As we commemorate the Meds Yeghern and pay tribute to the memories of those who perished, we also recommit ourselves to ensuring that devastating events like these are never repeated. This is a contemporary cause that thousands of Armenian-Americans have made their own. The legacy of the Armenian people is one of resiliency, determination, and triumph over those who sought to destroy them. The United States has deeply benefited from the significant contributions to our nation by Armenian Americans, many of whom are descended from the survivors of the Meds Yeghern.

Americans of Armenian descent have strengthened our society and our communities with their rich culture and traditions. The spirit of the Armenian people in the face of this tragic history serves as an inspiration for all those who seek a more peaceful and just world. Our hearts and prayers are with Armenians everywhere as we recall the horrors of the Meds Yeghern, honor the memories of those who suffered, and pledge our friendship and deep respect for the people of Armenia.

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and what should he have said and done ????? I'm confused as to the reason why you put this up but did not leave a comment on it at all...Seems like you just needed to beat up on Obama..You could have found something better then this ...Come on guy
 
Their was no armenian genocide we have a bunch of them running around and some of them are obnoxious and rude as shit-if they acted like that before they tried to kill them off I can see where the motivation might have come from....
 
and what should he have said and done ????? I'm confused as to the reason why you put this up but did not leave a comment on it at all...Seems like you just needed to beat up on Obama..You could have found something better then this ...Come on guy

Actually it wasn't necessarily to beat up on Obama, I just wanted to post something about it and educate people. However, in that intent I think it is worthwhile to mention that a Nobel Peace Prize recipient who is scared to confront a nation on it's acts of genocide is kind of ridiculous. Plus, it's just another failed campaign promise. I was more curious about what people would say about it. I did learn one thing: beardo is a prejudice advocate of genocide.
 
Actually it wasn't necessarily to beat up on Obama, I just wanted to post something about it and educate people. However, in that intent I think it is worthwhile to mention that a Nobel Peace Prize recipient who is scared to confront a nation on it's acts of genocide is kind of ridiculous. Plus, it's just another failed campaign promise. I was more curious about what people would say about it. I did learn one thing: beardo is a prejudice advocate of genocide.

OK I will take it as you say, but it does get rather tiring hearing how Obama needs to do this Obama has to do that..It was never YES I CAN it was always YES WE CAN...IMO he did bring it to notice in his statement...although we disagree on our politics, you seem to be stand up guy..so don't let people like beardo change who you are...trust that his life is full of misery and you know what they say about misery...that bitch loves company
 
OK I will take it as you say, but it does get rather tiring hearing how Obama needs to do this Obama has to do that..It was never YES I CAN it was always YES WE CAN...IMO he did bring it to notice in his statement...although we disagree on our politics, you seem to be stand up guy..so don't let people like beardo change who you are...trust that his life is full of misery and you know what they say about misery...that bitch loves company

boom, roasted. with truth.

syncos is sensible, beardo is.....beardo. either a troll or just really stupid. he lets his smart out too often for me to think he is stupid. probably just a good troll.

i tip my hat to good trolls ;)
 
Yea he totally posted about the armanian genocide and system of a down JUST to pick on obama lol <sarcasim>

If u have seen this damn movie ever it has almost absolutely nothing to do with Obama specifically...It has to do with every president since the Armenian genocide.
 
Awwww don't pick on porn lil obama hes just a brotha from da struggle wanting change , tha prez can't dew much right? (Not according to him)

YES WE cAN!

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so where is the change

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Tupac, A black man is president, he ran on your platform, changes, it didn't happen, R.I.P



Instead we got


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Now What we need for real change


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OK I will take it as you say, but it does get rather tiring hearing how Obama needs to do this Obama has to do that..It was never YES I CAN it was always YES WE CAN...IMO he did bring it to notice in his statement...although we disagree on our politics, you seem to be stand up guy..so don't let people like beardo change who you are...trust that his life is full of misery and you know what they say about misery...that bitch loves company

duly noted.

However, just talking about the deaths of the Armenians is not enough. The turkish admit to the millions of dead but claim it is due to famine. Our congress has said it was genocide, every other major nation has claimed it was genocide. However, due to Turkey being a muslim ally in a region where we are engaged in war, our presidents are too scared to confront them on it. If Obama were to call it genocide, turkey would pull its ambassador and stop diplomacy with the US. As the leader of the free world, it is our responsibility to hold the Turkish government responsible for the genocide they committed, so they don't do it again.

Also, remember that Serj and the rest of System of a Down are all descendants of Armenian refugees.
 
boom, roasted. with truth.

syncos is sensible, beardo is.....beardo. either a troll or just really stupid. he lets his smart out too often for me to think he is stupid. probably just a good troll.

i tip my hat to good trolls ;)
I wouldn't say i'm a troll, although I am here for entertainment, most of my posts reflect my real opinions and I try to keep it real on here. Sometimes I may pick a side of a debate that I feel is under represented to open discussion or thought of a different perspective on an issue. All my thoughts and opions are my own and I always try to see issues from all sides so if I think of an argument no one has made of a viewpoint no one has expressed I want to discuss it with other people and I think RIU is a good forum to do that-I get to share with a group of my peers. And I get to discuss thoughts I might not feel comfortable discussing with the people in my day to day life.
 
Would the world of today be a more peaceful place had the Nazis won the war and Hitler been able to complete the final solution?
 
I wouldn't say i'm a troll, although I am here for entertainment, most of my posts reflect my real opinions and I try to keep it real on here. Sometimes I may pick a side of a debate that I feel is under represented to open discussion or thought of a different perspective on an issue. All my thoughts and opions are my own and I always try to see issues from all sides so if I think of an argument no one has made of a viewpoint no one has expressed I want to discuss it with other people and I think RIU is a good forum to do that-I get to share with a group of my peers. And I get to discuss thoughts I might not feel comfortable discussing with the people in my day to day life.

you let the smart beardo out. and then...

Would the world of today be a more peaceful place had the Nazis won the war and Hitler been able to complete the final solution?

you let the beardo who seems to be invoking someone into an emotional response out. that would be the definition of troll.

like i said, a genius troll. perhaps.
 
you let the smart beardo out. and then...



you let the beardo who seems to be invoking someone into an emotional response out. that would be the definition of troll.

like i said, a genius troll. perhaps.
I was just trying to ask if the ultimate outcome of genocide would bring about hemogemy and would that lead to peace? Or just leave everyone to invent a new conflict?
 
I was just trying to ask if the ultimate outcome of genocide would bring about hemogemy and would that lead to peace? Or just leave everyone to invent a new conflict?

if only hitler had completely exterminated my wife's family.

gawd, what a fucking world it would be!
 
Would the world of today be a more peaceful place had the Nazis won the war and Hitler been able to complete the final solution?

I was just trying to ask if the ultimate outcome of genocide would bring about hemogemy and would that lead to peace? Or just leave everyone to invent a new conflict?

you are aware that my wife's family actually died in the holocaust, right?

would we be better off for it? ask a fucking survivor, you asshat.
 
you are aware that my wife's family actually died in the holocaust, right?

would we be better off for it? ask a fucking survivor, you asshat.
No I wasn't and I'm sorry to hear about it. I didn't mean it in an anti semetic way what I ment is would it have led to peace after the inital implementation? Would it have prevented the genocide in Dafur? and maybe the one in kosovo? we will never know if those events might have impossible because the people may not have even existed because of previous action.
 
No I wasn't and I'm sorry to hear about it. I didn't mean it in an anti semetic way what I ment is would it have led to peace after the inital implementation? Would it have prevented the genocide in Dafur? and maybe the one in kosovo? we will never know if those events might have impossible because the people may not have even existed because of previous action.

A tyrannical nation that committed genocide leading to peace... Seriously? Even if that were the case it would not be worth it for humanity.
 
beardo you might want to put yourself in the situation that you speak of BEFORE you speak of it...That might just answer your question and stop you from seeming uncaring and/or foolish..
 
There is a great bit from the congressional record that sums up why it is so important for the US to admit the Armenian Genocide (aside from the obvious need to recognize and denounce any genocide).

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/R?r110:FLD001:S03144
...[W]e recognize the role Americans played in exposing the Armenian Genocide and trying to relieve the suffering of the Armenian people, we remind ourselves that it is our tradition to speak out and do something.

During the Armenia Genocide, American consuls and missionaries, in what was then the Ottoman Empire, reported the atrocities which were taking place far from the capital in Istanbul. Our ambassador, Henry Morganthau Sr., confronted the Ottoman government with the accusations.

Ambassador Morganthau wrote in his memoirs:

Whatever crimes the most perverted instincts of the human mind can devise, and whatever refinements of persecution and injustice the most debased imagination can conceive, became the daily misfortunes of this devoted people. I am confident that the whole history of the human race contains no such horrible episode as this. The great massacres and persecutions of the past seem almost insignificant when compared with the sufferings of the Armenian race in 1915.

The American Near East Relief Committee, a relief organization for refugees in the Middle East, raised over $102 million for Armenians both during and after the genocide.

As I have said in this Chamber before, the response to the atrocities was the birth of the American international human rights movement.

Official recognition of the role Americans played in confronting the Armenian Genocide over 90 years ago will reaffirm our tradition of protecting the vulnerable and inspire us to not stand by and watch as genocide occurs in our time.
 
A tyrannical nation that committed genocide leading to peace... Seriously? Even if that were the case it would not be worth it for humanity.
Didn't we use the a bomb on japan to save lives?
Aren't we in Libya and Iraq liberating people or protecting them or whatever?
I have Indian family and they got their asses killed and ran out of their country and into Canada.
 
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