general organics rocks!!!!
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keefbox420
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Kalyx
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I have used it and it works very well. My understanding is that it is not truly 100% organic. They just use the word organic instead of hydroponic so us soil people will buy General Hydroponics products. It is marketed more as vegan, which I believe it is; it contains no animal products (except BioMarine LOL, the first bottle I got said squid hydrolysate like a squid is not an animal for veganic?, now it says fish hydrolysate). The GO line contains small amounts of SYNTH, mostly for micronutrients and probably chelates etc knowing GH.
With GO you can definitely feed 15-20 ml/gallon on most strains (up to 2x chart dose as the chart says). It is a good line to bring more people on board to bottled organic based nutrition. I also like that the line is pretty streamlined and lots of goodies are in the BioThrives (base nutrients). Veganic is a definite plus for some medical patients and also for increased quality. The yield was always good too. For what it is (fermented plant extract based, non-PK boost style bloom supplement which also contains plant protein hydrolysate) the GO BioBud is a standout from the line and fairly priced and nicely concentrated. Especially compared to canna's $111/L retail price on BioBOOST (15ml/gallon recommended dosage)
Ouch! The BioBud is like $42/quart if I remember right and 5ml/gallon recommended dosage. Another good GH product that is organic (I used it in veg then switch to BioBud in Bloom) is called Floralicious Plus, it is really concentrated at 1ml/gallon recommended dosage and also contains plant extracts ("secret", so not listed on bottles of Fl plus or BioBud) and the plant protein hydrolysate. GO grows great vegan plants (without the BioMarine anyhow)!
With GO you can definitely feed 15-20 ml/gallon on most strains (up to 2x chart dose as the chart says). It is a good line to bring more people on board to bottled organic based nutrition. I also like that the line is pretty streamlined and lots of goodies are in the BioThrives (base nutrients). Veganic is a definite plus for some medical patients and also for increased quality. The yield was always good too. For what it is (fermented plant extract based, non-PK boost style bloom supplement which also contains plant protein hydrolysate) the GO BioBud is a standout from the line and fairly priced and nicely concentrated. Especially compared to canna's $111/L retail price on BioBOOST (15ml/gallon recommended dosage)
Ouch! The BioBud is like $42/quart if I remember right and 5ml/gallon recommended dosage. Another good GH product that is organic (I used it in veg then switch to BioBud in Bloom) is called Floralicious Plus, it is really concentrated at 1ml/gallon recommended dosage and also contains plant extracts ("secret", so not listed on bottles of Fl plus or BioBud) and the plant protein hydrolysate. GO grows great vegan plants (without the BioMarine anyhow)!
keefbox420
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sounds like good info man but how do you know things like it is not 100% organic and the "secret" ingredientI have used it and it works very well. My understanding is that it is not truly 100% organic. They just use the word organic instead of hydroponic so us soil people will buy General Hydroponics products. It is marketed more as vegan, which I believe it is; it contains no animal products (except BioMarine LOL, the first bottle I got said squid hydrolysate like a squid is not an animal for veganic?, now it says fish hydrolysate). The GO line contains small amounts of SYNTH, mostly for micronutrients and probably chelates etc knowing GH.
With GO you can definitely feed 15-20 ml/gallon on most strains (up to 2x chart dose as the chart says). It is a good line to bring more people on board to bottled organic based nutrition. I also like that the line is pretty streamlined and lots of goodies are in the BioThrives (base nutrients). Veganic is a definite plus for some medical patients and also for increased quality. The yield was always good too. For what it is (fermented plant extract based, non-PK boost style bloom supplement which also contains plant protein hydrolysate) the GO BioBud is a standout from the line and fairly priced and nicely concentrated. Especially compared to canna's $111/L retail price on BioBOOST (15ml/gallon recommended dosage)
Da Almighty Jew
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I use earth juice. From what i hear that is the best.
slump
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GH is saying that the GO line is Organic-Based. Since they're in California, which has the most rigid guidelines on labeling products that are produced in the state, they are allowed to label themselves as organic based if they are at least 50% organic.
GH claims that they could get an OMRI listing but they don't want to give up their entire formula as required by OMRI.
If you read through their product descriptions on their website...every thing they mention is either called vegan (which makes one think organic) or it's called organic-based or it is listed as being derived from organic sources.
Grow Safe
I've been using it for 2 runs now and I like it, but I am with the above poster and dont think its 100% organic, however 50% organic is just not organic at all though. It grows nice buds for sure but this current grow will be the last one I will be using GO. I like the vegan idea behind GO and biocanna but I cant get through a grow without cheating somehow by using guanos or the bio marine, this second grow i didnt even attempt without the bio marine and a fairly heavily amended soil.
As someone else said, for the price you get a lot with the GO but I'm switching to super soil, doesnt get any cheaper or easier than that. But if I was to switch to another bottled product it would probably be the biocanna line, or more than likely the earth juice lineup as its cheaper and easier to get better yields than with the biocanna.
As someone else said, for the price you get a lot with the GO but I'm switching to super soil, doesnt get any cheaper or easier than that. But if I was to switch to another bottled product it would probably be the biocanna line, or more than likely the earth juice lineup as its cheaper and easier to get better yields than with the biocanna.
+ WitchDoctor +
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Well said everyone. I agree with Kaylx. It's mostly organic, the synthetic parts are probably mostly micronutes and chelates.
And it's a great line to get people on board with bottled organics. Then once you actually start learning more about organics as you grow with the GO products you start to see effective ways to cut down on the bottles, and possibly eventually eliminate most of them.
I think the reason they don't get OMRI certs is because they can't. I don't think it has anything to do with the "secret" formula. Even Canna had to use some synthetic micronutrients in the Bio Canna line. They still have the OMRI however.
I use the Bio Root and CalMag from GO still, but I just noticed for the first time that the Bio Root has soybeans in it......and I'm about 99% positive that they are GMO soybeans, so as soon as it's gone I'm done with that product, and now that I'm using rainwater I probably won't need much of the CalMag either.
And it's a great line to get people on board with bottled organics. Then once you actually start learning more about organics as you grow with the GO products you start to see effective ways to cut down on the bottles, and possibly eventually eliminate most of them.
I think the reason they don't get OMRI certs is because they can't. I don't think it has anything to do with the "secret" formula. Even Canna had to use some synthetic micronutrients in the Bio Canna line. They still have the OMRI however.
I use the Bio Root and CalMag from GO still, but I just noticed for the first time that the Bio Root has soybeans in it......and I'm about 99% positive that they are GMO soybeans, so as soon as it's gone I'm done with that product, and now that I'm using rainwater I probably won't need much of the CalMag either.
Wolverine97
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The way that I understand it is like so: there is no "synthetic" anything in GO nutrient line, it's vegan and natural. If anyone has actual proof to show otherwise, I'm all ears. I'm certainly not immune to mistakes.
There are certain natural mineral products that don't meet OMRI guidelines (they're pretty dumb if anyone has looked).
Say there's a bear walking down by the river; taking his time walking, he stops to look at this little piece of iron ore laying there. Is it organic? No, not according to OMRI. But the bear is hungry, and eats it. The next day he's shitting in the woods - as bears are wont to do- and out comes that piece of iron in his poop. Is it organic? See my point?
So the nutrient may not be "organic" in the strictest sense of the word, but they're natural. That's good enough for me.
There are certain natural mineral products that don't meet OMRI guidelines (they're pretty dumb if anyone has looked).
Say there's a bear walking down by the river; taking his time walking, he stops to look at this little piece of iron ore laying there. Is it organic? No, not according to OMRI. But the bear is hungry, and eats it. The next day he's shitting in the woods - as bears are wont to do- and out comes that piece of iron in his poop. Is it organic? See my point?
So the nutrient may not be "organic" in the strictest sense of the word, but they're natural. That's good enough for me.
Da Almighty Jew
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earth juice better...
+ WitchDoctor +
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The way that I understand it is like so: there is no "synthetic" anything in GO nutrient line, it's vegan and natural. If anyone has actual proof to show otherwise, I'm all ears. I'm certainly not immune to mistakes.
There are certain natural mineral products that don't meet OMRI guidelines (they're pretty dumb if anyone has looked).
Say there's a bear walking down by the river; taking his time walking, he stops to look at this little piece of iron ore laying there. Is it organic? No, not according to OMRI. But the bear is hungry, and eats it. The next day he's shitting in the woods - as bears are wont to do- and out comes that piece of iron in his poop. Is it organic? See my point?
So the nutrient may not be "organic" in the strictest sense of the word, but they're natural. That's good enough for me.
I mean no offense, but the soybean meal in the Bio Root is kind of proof I think lol. I agree with what you're trying to say, but I don't think the comparison is fair because technically General Hydroponics didn't find soybean meal in the forest, eat it, digest it, and poop it out.
It's probably good enough for most people, but if GO products are really organic, they aren't trying hard to prove it. This is from their site. "Organic elements...from organic sources"
BioThrive Grow-
BioThrive Grow is pure, natural nutrition for plants grown in soil or soilless mediums. Its vegan formula facilitates lush vegative growth and vigourous root development. It provides necessary organic elements needed for plant growth and strength in the vegetative stage.
BioThrive Bloom-
BioThrive Bloom is formulated to provide blooming plants with essential elements needed for superior blooms and harvests. The vegan formulation is pure and natural from organic sources. BioThrive Bloompromotes massive flowers and fruit and also encourages microbial activity in the growing media. It is ideal for both potting soil and soilless growing.
"Organic elements...from organic sources" So while I agree that it's probably good enough for most people, they have GMO ingredients in them.
And the bear analogy reminds me of why I don't use Seabird guano lol.
You're right about the OMRI guidelines being a joke, but like I said, Bio Canna has synthetic micronutes and got the certification. I don't believe that GO is avoiding OMRI because they don't want to reveal there secrets, unless their secret is synthetics.
I trust the local farmers and vendors that their food is Organic without a label, but I wouldn't trust a grocery store in the same way, they are a corporation. That's how I feel about GO. Like I said, great product, and it's probably mostly organic, but I think if they could meet the 95% required to put "organic" on the label they would.
Wolverine97
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I mean no offense, but the soybean meal in the Bio Root is kind of proof I think lol. I agree with what you're trying to say, but I don't think the comparison is fair because technically General Hydroponics didn't find soybean meal in the forest, eat it, digest it, and poop it out.
It's probably good enough for most people, but if GO products are really organic, they aren't trying hard to prove it. This is from their site. "Organic elements...from organic sources"
BioThrive Grow-
BioThrive Grow is pure, natural nutrition for plants grown in soil or soilless mediums. Its vegan formula facilitates lush vegative growth and vigourous root development. It provides necessary organic elements needed for plant growth and strength in the vegetative stage.
BioThrive Bloom-
BioThrive Bloom is formulated to provide blooming plants with essential elements needed for superior blooms and harvests. The vegan formulation is pure and natural from organic sources. BioThrive Bloompromotes massive flowers and fruit and also encourages microbial activity in the growing media. It is ideal for both potting soil and soilless growing.
"Organic elements...from organic sources" So while I agree that it's probably good enough for most people, they have GMO ingredients in them.
And the bear analogy reminds me of why I don't use Seabird guano lol.
You're right about the OMRI guidelines being a joke, but like I said, Bio Canna has synthetic micronutes and got the certification. I don't believe that GO is avoiding OMRI because they don't want to reveal there secrets, unless their secret is synthetics.
I trust the local farmers and vendors that their food is Organic without a label, but I wouldn't trust a grocery store in the same way, they are a corporation. That's how I feel about GO. Like I said, great product, and it's probably mostly organic, but I think if they could meet the 95% required to put "organic" on the label they would.
No offense taken, I'm always open to learning something new. I don't know though, I hear you about the GMO source inputs and I don't like that either. I guess I'm going to have to dig a little deeper to find out if there are any synthetics in there, but I still don't think there are. I use it as a supplement to my soil mix, feeding lightly during flowering (I don't feed during veg) and it does produce great results. Burns totally clean. Anywho...
+ WitchDoctor +
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I never burned my plants with it either, and I've never heard of anyone else burning with GO either..so that has to say something. I imagine you'd have to make some calls to have a chance at finding out if there are actually synthetics, or find a disgruntled ex-employee lol.
But yea, like I said, I've still been using the Bio Root and Calmag, but I'm totally put off about the GMO sources now. Either way it's great stuff as far as I'm concerned, and it's a local company so hey.
But yea, like I said, I've still been using the Bio Root and Calmag, but I'm totally put off about the GMO sources now. Either way it's great stuff as far as I'm concerned, and it's a local company so hey.
medical/420
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bontnacares pure pro searies is really good, it is kinda organic, and works great. ( does not taste like chemical weed)
Kalyx
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This info came straight from GH via their rep from the Denver office visiting a hydro shop where I am at. YES synthetics are in the formula just in trace amounts. The reason given is that GH has high yield standards, and they could not leave synth micros and chelators completely out and still pass the bar in their tests.
The "secret" stuff he mentioned was when our conversation turned to BioBud. Specifically what they don't want to let out is what plant based extracts are included in the product (and Florlicious plus, grow, bloom boosters too). He also told me they actually lose $$$ on the BioBud that it costs them about the retail price to produce 1 bottle and they take a loss on the BioBud just to complete the line. I dunno what to make of that marketing pitch? BioCanna does not go so far as to release their specific plant extracts in totality either so we may never really know WHAT plant extracts are helping our cannabis in these miracle sauces.
That same day the GH rep also got into this issue in our conversation. GH hates OMRI and all other certifications. They hold a "we don't have to certify anything because we use quality ingredients and list them on the bottles MSDS sheets etc" position. Basically how I interpret what I heard is that they are the big dog in the industry and aren't going to give even small percentages of their HUGE revenue streams to these certifying groups who do nothing to make the products any better. IMO id like to know that someone has seen the WHOLE list of ingredients. Labeling law has made labels misleading and forced companies to give us end users less info about our products to apply with the ever changing rules. Plus who trusts any size corporation these days? I KNOW all they care about is effectively extracting our wealth with our legal permission.
Just give GH a call or email. I'm sure they will be willing to answer any questions you may have about their GO line. And let us know what they say if you do!
They sure smell natural and organic! Yes there are many levels of this onion depending on our personal definitions and opinions.
Beeb Beebman
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Never thought about the whole GMO thing regarding the soybeans in that product. I've had great luck with the line this grow and hadn't burnt a single plant while feeding pretty heavily. Still got a bit of that line left and I'm not planning on running it again as I've just transplanted 6 clones into some Empire Builder so we'll see how that goes. Great thread btw.
WestCoastMaster
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You have to run it hard but it makes great bud!!!
