Forget mousetraps; build a better BATTERY

torontoke

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Three times the energy density of lithium ion batteries, quicker charge time, over 1200 discharge cycles... And the guy who co-invented the lithium ion battery is part of this discovery too.

I'm thinking internal combustion powered cars are suddenly living on borrowed time.

https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology
Or just like the electric car or hemp oil powered engine the inventors will disappear and never be heard from again.
Humans have advanced from horse and buggy travel to wireless internet within the last 100 years but there may be big money blocking the further advancement imo
 

ttystikk

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Or just like the electric car or hemp oil powered engine the inventors will disappear and never be heard from again.
Humans have advanced from horse and buggy travel to wireless internet within the last 100 years but there may be big money blocking the further advancement imo
This one will be very profitable for TPTB.
 

Los Reefersaurus

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Not that you can tell anything from the article, I hate how technical reporting expects a blind faith in the story. BUT sounds to me like a lithium capacitor . After all the guy is 92 it is not like he is going to travel far from what he already knows.
 

ttystikk

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Not that you can tell anything from the article, I hate how technical reporting expects a blind faith in the story. BUT sounds to me like a lithium capacitor . After all the guy is 92 it is not like he is going to travel far from what he already knows.
They can call it what they want, if it meets the specs they mention in the article it will be the power storage revolution high powered electrics needed.

Notice also it works at low temperatures.
 

heckler73

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Glass?
Nice idea, but what is the weight of a solid-state battery replacement? I suspect it is more dense than the BRAWNDO currently used as the medium. That MAY be an issue when scaling up the technology, but that's my cautious intuition.

A couple grabs from the paper worth pondering:

Battery 1.JPG Battery 2.JPG
 

ttystikk

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Glass?
Nice idea, but what is the weight of a solid-state battery replacement? I suspect it is more dense than the BRAWNDO currently used as the medium. That MAY be an issue when scaling up the technology, but that's my cautious intuition.

A couple grabs from the paper worth pondering:

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It would have to be more than three times as dense to be heavier than current batteries, as it holds three times the charge per unit volume.

1200 cycles is better than Li ion batteries, at around 300 or so.
 

heckler73

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It would have to be more than three times as dense to be heavier than current batteries, as it holds three times the charge per unit volume.

1200 cycles is better than Li ion batteries, at around 300 or so.
Do you know where that claim is made in the paper, presuming you have read it?
I get the feeling the author of the article is stretching the facts, if not misinterpreting them. I've only read the paper a couple times and I think I know where that part is, but I don't believe it is making that particular claim.
That said, it is an interesting idea that will likely bring benefit in the next 3-5 years.
 

ttystikk

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Do you know where that claim is made in the paper, presuming you have read it?
I get the feeling the author of the article is stretching the facts, if not misinterpreting them. I've only read the paper a couple times and I think I know where that part is, but I don't believe it is making that particular claim.
That said, it is an interesting idea that will likely bring benefit in the next 3-5 years.
Did you not read the original post of this thread? Link to the article is in it. Do your research lol

You are guessing, and badly. The codiscoverer has already developed a popular battery technology...

Or haven't you heard of lithium ion batteries?
 

heckler73

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Did you not read the original post of this thread? Link to the article is in it. Do your research lol

You are guessing, and badly. The codiscoverer has already developed a popular battery technology...

Or haven't you heard of lithium ion batteries?

Perhaps you misunderstood me, I'll try rephrasing the question:
Have you read the paper?

This isn't a trick question. A simple yes or no will suffice.
 

ttystikk

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Perhaps you misunderstood me, I'll try rephrasing the question:
Have you read the paper?

This isn't a trick question. A simple yes or no will suffice.
I read the article. That the guy developed the lithium ion battery is in the article. I don't think his credibility is in question.
 

doublejj

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Did you not read the original post of this thread? Link to the article is in it. Do your research lol

You are guessing, and badly. The codiscoverer has already developed a popular battery technology...

Or haven't you heard of lithium ion batteries?
A week simply can’t pass without TESLA NEWS, and this week’s TESLA NEWS is that the Model 3 is officially the fastest charging electric car in the world.

. A firmware update – rolling out this weekend – for European Model 3s with the Long Range battery option will allow them to charge at 200kW when hooked up to specific ‘ultrafast’ chargers.

In balder terms, 200kW equates to 850 miles for each hour of charging. Given the Long Range version quotes at 329 miles on a full battery, that means a complete charge in just over 20 minutes. About the time it’ll take you to have a wee and order a chai latte at most service stations.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/tesla-model-3-fastest-charging-car-world
 

TacoMac

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That you can only charge to 80%. You still have to finish it off at home on a slow charger.

The best battery system available for solar home systems right now, however, is this one:



The reason this system is so important is simple: It's an independent system that doe NOT feed power back into the power grid.

Tesla's solar roof system was supposed to power it, but it never came into being. That doesn't mean though that you can't run this system off of any solar panel installation.

The reason it's important is this:

Used to, the government required power companies to pay solar users for power that they fed back into the grid. It made solar power a great investment because not only did it cut power usage down, but by selling excess power back to the grid it cut demand on plants and that cuts power costs and coal usage on a huge level.

But the power companies sued claiming that it was "their" grid and as such customers that fed power back into "their" grid should actually have to pay for the privilege.

The power companies (and their lobbyists) won.

So all of a sudden, people who had solar systems wired to their main boxes and meters that fed power back into the grid all of a sudden started getting HUGE bills for actually feeding power they harvested but weren't using and feeding back into the grid.

That's where this system came into play. It was (and with the exception of 2 others still is) the only solar battery system that runs ENTIRELY independent of the power grid while still utilizing the main power panel.

It's a brilliant system. Sadly, it's not on Musk's list of things to tweet about as they don't sell it for a huge profit, so they mostly sit in the warehouse gathering dust along with the rest of gigafactory 2.
 

doublejj

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Audi e-tron, Jaguar I-PACE, face recalls over fire risk, faulty brakes


BySimon Alvarez
Posted on June 10, 2019


The Audi e-tron and the Jaguar I-PACE were recently hit by twin recalls over potential safety concerns. Both companies have opted to proactively issue the safety recalls before reports of any untoward incidents concerning the vehicles emerged from owners.

In the case of the Audi e-tron, water can get into the all-electric SUV’s high-voltage charging port, which could then make its way to the vehicle’s electronics, resulting in a potential battery fire. Audi e-tron owner and ServiceNow director Michael Forson recently noted on Twitter that not all of the electric SUVs are affected by the major electrical fault, but the German manufacturer is nonetheless taking the issue seriously. With this in mind, it would not be surprising if Audi ends up inspecting most, if not all, e-trons that have been delivered to customers thus far.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-killers-audi-etron-jaguar-ipace-recalled-over-fire-braking-risk/
 

TacoMac

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Audi e-tron, Jaguar I-PACE, face recalls over fire risk, faulty brakes

The Audi e-tron and the Jaguar I-PACE were recently hit by twin recalls over potential safety concerns.
Not one single instance has ever happened. They, unlike Tesla, catch things BEFORE they happen. At Tesla, you have 3 dead from autonomous driving failure and 4 injured in cars bursting into flames.

And Tesla STILL hasn't fixed it. They simply disabled autonomous mode and then cut charging capacity which also castrated the cars performance and convenience.

Yeah. That's a real company alright.
 

doublejj

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Tesla Outsold Porsche & Jaguar Globally In 1st Quarter
When you think of how well known and long respected Porsche and Jaguar are, Tesla’s consistently higher sales are a notable marker. There are frequently claims by critics and short sellers that once the big, old automakers decide to get moving, they will crush Tesla. Porsche and Jaguar have often been cited by those fortune tellers, with many a reference to the Jaguar I-PACE and Porsche Taycan, for example. But the sales data show us that Tesla is already bigger than Porsche and Jaguar. It is already the bigger boy.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/06/08/tesla-outsold-porsche-jaguar-globally-in-1st-quarter/
 

doublejj

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Tesla's are safer...
Tesla says the Auto Pilot system significantly reduced the likelihood of crashes. In the first quarter of the year, Tesla drivers using Autopilot had one accident for every 2.87 million miles driven, the company said, while data from federal safety regulators shows that the national average for all vehicles is one every 436,000 miles.
 
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