For People Who Don"t Know But Want To Explore

God is for suckers

"just an atheist's point of view
the god myth is all of our hopes and fears condensed into an idea that is easily digested by the masses. somewhere along the line god became the anthropomorphized realization that there is soooo much we will never understand. "

there is so much we will never understand. too true. the problem with most religions is they have been influenced by mankind, always wanting his own cut, his ideas to be introduced saying "this is gods will" when it is really the flesh taking control.
PS:
someday there is going to be peace on earth again and all of the universes mysterties will be explained by the creator. that is why i dont need to understand. it will all be explained
peace

Do.
or do not.
God,
or not.
Why bother with someone else's definition of everything that is you?
Stoke some original thought and keep the miscommunication to a minimum.

god is truth
this truth we can never truly understand

but striving to live and understand this truth makes you grow spiritually as a person. this expansion is achieved through the extension of oneself... which is love.

I came to this conclusion after reading The Road Less Traveled by scott peck.
Gandhi can also be viewed as this type of thinker.

It makes me scared, and uncertain, but happy deep down at the same time, because I know if I keep trying maybe I'll be able to grow. Who knows where this growth will take a person?

I'm only in the very early stages, my view of truth is small, twisted, and inaccurate. But I have faith for something...
Stem


EDIT: and at any time a person's views who chooses this path may change, which can make him seem hypocritical or contradictory, but you should always know this person from their love. Love meaning how much they extend themselves wanting nothing more then the feeling of spiritual growth.

undertheice said:

the god myth is all of our hopes and fears condensed into an idea that is easily digested by the masses. somewhere along the line god became the anthropomorphized realization that there is soooo much we will never understand. as mankind has gained a better understanding of the world around him, he has strayed from the animistic roots of his first spirituality and the reverence he once felt for everything has turned into a general disdain. his deities have gained more and more human characteristics, demanding worship and sacrifice - that which we most desire from those around us. our gods began to demand housing and detailed rules of conduct. they warred with one another and faded away in defeat, just as we do.

as mankind's concepts of spirituality have evolved our need for multiple deities has faded away, consolidating our worship to a single god. soon we may find ourselves doing away with that one as well and, with no imaginary parent left to defy, we may even regain our reverence for all things.

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is this your definition of god?

and if so.. what purpose does this understanding serve?

and how easily could you change your understanding?

and who would you be if you did not have this understanding?

would you be god?



iloveyou

stemseed said:

god is truth
this truth we can never truly understand

EDIT: and at any time a person's views who chooses this path may change, which can make him seem hypocritical or contradictory, but you should always know this person from their love. Love meaning how much they extend themselves wanting nothing more then the feeling of spiritual growth.

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excuse me.....

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN AV COOLER THAN MINE!!!!

and yours IS!!!

iloveyou

Garden Knowm said:

excuse me.....

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN AV COOLER THAN MINE!!!!

and yours IS!!!

iloveyou

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haha thank you

you, in a way inspired it.

Garden Knowm said:

is this your definition of god?

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can you define what does not exist? the god myth is an idea created by fear and, as such, it is something we have little use for. god as the creator is for those who have an unfulfilled need to be watched over by some benevolent parent, we have no such need. god the omnipotent ideal is for those who crave the guidance of a stern parent, we refuse to allow ourselves to be so easily controlled. god as an idea is dangerous, god as a coherent force is improbable, god as a being is laughable. the ultimate questions cannot be answered; get used to it, get over it, and get on with your life.

what purpose does this understanding serve?

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to deny the existence of deities is to deny dogma the ability to control your life. without the rules man has created in the name of the gods, we are free to be guided by our own rules and to once again revere all.

how easily could you change your understanding?

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it has taken us the better part of the last half-century to come to this much of our understanding. it is constantly evolving as we gain knowledge and will constantly change until we are laid to rest. anything else would be stagnation and that is best left to those trapped within the god myth.

who would you be if you did not have this understanding?

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we cannot be other than we are. the life we have lived has made us what we are and what we are contains this understanding. you might just as well ask what would a chicken be if it weren't a chicken.

god is anything that we cannot explain rationally. Just think about it when something out of the ordinary happens and you have no explaination for the occurance what do we use to explain it? god.

god is a form of crowd control. what better way to keep the masses under control than to position a diety that defines perfection, so that people have an image to conform too. all god really is, is the voice inside of your head telling you right from wrong. imo

undertheice said:

can you define what does not exist? the god myth is an idea created by fear and, as such, it is something we have little use for. god as the creator is for those who have an unfulfilled need to be watched over by some benevolent parent, we have no such need. god the omnipotent ideal is for those who crave the guidance of a stern parent, we refuse to allow ourselves to be so easily controlled. god as an idea is dangerous, god as a coherent force is improbable, god as a being is laughable. the ultimate questions cannot be answered; get used to it, get over it, and get on with your life.

to deny the existence of deities is to deny dogma the ability to control your life. without the rules man has created in the name of the gods, we are free to be guided by our own rules and to once again revere all.

it has taken us the better part of the last half-century to come to this much of our understanding. it is constantly evolving as we gain knowledge and will constantly change until we are laid to rest. anything else would be stagnation and that is best left to those trapped within the god myth.

we cannot be other than we are. the life we have lived has made us what we are and what we are contains this understanding. you might just as well ask what would a chicken be if it weren't a chicken.

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is everything you are saying true? It appears to be a definition of GOD?


I don't know what existence is. Can you tell me?

....or psychotic (it's hard to tell which).

Garden Knowm said:

is everything you are saying true?

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it is true for some. need it be true for everyone?

It appears to be a definition of GOD?

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god is irrelevant, definitions are irrelevant. one might suppose it is all a matter of individual preference and self-delusion. we are all quite mad in our short time here and, in our madness, we attempt to label all we see and feel. what a waste of energy, but maybe that is all we have.

whether it is god or GOD or GOD, it is all the same thing. a coherent force to guide us in our daily routine or to blame for our earthly woes, a reason to stop searching for the answers we know we will never quite reach. it's just another way to deny the beautiful order of chaos and arrange our lives into some semblance of sanity. mankind cannot stand the idea of chaos even though that is his natural state. the riot of conflicting thoughts is constantly beaten into submission and filed away, the unexplained is warped to conform to some small definition of reality or ignored completely, the unexplainable is classified and cataloged and stacked neatly in a pile stamped "do not touch".

the god myth allows us to go blithely on our way. maybe we need it to retain some small illusion of stability.

I don't know what existence is. Can you tell me?

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no and you shouldn't be told even if the answer were available. isn't the entire point of living as a reasoning being to attempt to figure these things out on your own?

do you ever look at the state of the earth and wonder how if got into such bad shape. why politicians re-elct themselves, stomp on the general public and make out they are really trying to help us. politics isn't the only area, look at religions, banks, wars, the list goes on. we as humans need help to get us out of this mess we have gotten ourselves into. in the bible it clearly states that satan has rule of the earth for a limited time to show god that we can rule ourselves and we do not need his help. look at the mess the father of darkness has got us into. believing his lies now is soooo much easier than trying to live a true life to yourself. but the consequences????? "Struggle to enter the Kingdom through the narrow door. The road to hell is wide with plenty of room and most go that way. But the door is small and the path is hard and narrow that leads to life and only a few find it."
peace

newbud said:

....we as humans need help to get us out of this mess we have gotten ourselves into. in the bible it clearly states that satan has rule of the earth for a limited time to show god that we can rule ourselves and we do not need his help. look at the mess the father of darkness has got us into....

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how wonderful it is to have an all purpose scapegoat. blaming mankind's lack of self control on some supernatural bogey-man is the perfect way to escape the torturous route of accepting personal responsibility for our own shortcomings and awaiting arrival of the divine hand to sort out the mess that humanity has made is far easier than working to fix things ourselves. this fatalistic view promoted by the abrahamic cults, that we are merely waiting for divine intervention and an end to this earthly confusion, seems childish at best; downright suicidal in my opinion. genuflection gives one nothing but sore knees and prostrating one's self before the lord is only another way of sticking your head in the sand.

the vast majority of modern day culture has let christianity slip away into nothingness. the masses chose to follow consumer and cultural trends with no thought of the consequences, they do not believe so therefore are not blaming anyone, just accepting their actions as just.
what i wrote was trying to get people to open there eyes to the deceipt in todays world. there is hope.

sand is easier to dig away than ice my friend. let it melt......
peace

god is a title. not a word, not a name. be careful when you honor anything with the title of god.

of course, over time, if 'god' is used for anything meaningful, the title itself will become meaningless. so go ahead and call everything god.

blasphomy is a victemless crime.

undertheice said:

god is irrelevant, definitions are irrelevant.

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is this a definition of god?

undertheice said:

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whether it is god or GOD or GOD, it is all the same thing. a coherent force to guide us in our daily routine or to blame for our earthly woes, a reason to stop searching for the answers we know we will never quite reach. it's just another way to deny the beautiful order of chaos and arrange our lives into some semblance of sanity.

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another definition of GOD?

You know this thread is for people who "don't know".. and who want to explore with others who don't know..

it seems THAT those who KNOW always want to end the conversation by telling us what they KNOW... they want to CUM becaue they think they know that is the MEANING of sex...

and this is fine.. if it is enough to feel like YOU know.. then that is good.. but this thread is for people who DON'T KNOW...

and are able to go beyond belief and judgment..to a place beyond conventional thought... deep deep deep into the unknown...

I suspect that those who BELIEVE THEY KNOW.. are blocking the experience of GOD with their definition...


even if their definition is.. "nobody knows what god is" this is still a definition..

understand?

iloveyou

closet.cult said:

god is a title. not a word, not a name. be careful when you honor anything with the title of god.

of course, over time, if 'god' is used for anything meaningful, the title itself will become meaningless. so go ahead and call everything god.

blasphomy is a victemless crime.

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Maybe people should be careful before they DON'T honor EVERYTHING...

iloveyou