Flavor Profiles

Don_Sequitor

Don_Sequitor

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Cannabis is complex and flavor is an abstract thing. Along with brand, some seeds now have detailed descriptions of their flavor profiles written by connoisseur. These descriptions range from broad/general catagories such as earthy and fruity to specific characteristics like diesel and pineapple. Some breeders may infer relationships between terpines and the flavor, however; each cultivator has their own taste and, flavor is your individual concept of how the aroma and smoke interact with your chemical receptors. Aside from flavor is potency and texture and high.

Please use this thread to recommend some cultivars from breeders with detailed flavor profiles.

Here is a non-example: funky, dank
 
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Don_Sequitor

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My plan was to share a picture from the Humboldt Seed Co.'s Catalog, however; it seems as though their website is under going construction.
 
hotrodharley

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Leafly is far better organized for stuff like this. I don’t trust breeder claims for much when it comes to flower times, yield or flavor profiles. I would prefer an actual terpene profile. There are legal growers here who are starting to provide these due to increasing interest in terpenoids and their varied effects.
 
hotrodharley

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Don_Sequitor said:
Amazing.

Do the breeders do anything special to cue the flower?
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There’s nothing man can do to alter, increase or enhance terpenese if science is to be believed. It’s been tried on all kinds of crops and nothing has worked. We can make sure that the plant is given the best environment to let it produce the terpenoids giving us the odor and flavor. Keeping it simple with nutrients is my first approach. Using biologicals such as beneficial microbes. Never overwatering. Etc.
 
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LinguaPeel

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First of all terpenes have zero flavor, only aroma. Terp talk has done nothing but ruin weed and the timing isn't coincidental. Fake terps are now the legacy of American weed. Fake American , synonamous. Thats domestic weed now that big corporations who won't grow legit bud have seen tons of the shit sold for craft prices. Its too late now they've been selling fake weed in Arizona since 2012 (Az ops are pheno farms for big tobacco, and Az mmj is the infected pulled sprayed renamed culls from those ops (and the thousands of distillate pen flavors of course,which all taste like saran wrap anal rape))

I've concluded 99% of the population absolutely cannot perceive flavor. Especially on the west coast. Fukashima or something for them fucked up. Evolution has failed us. Stuff that's suppossed to make people puke, the masses now claim to be enjoy. Tide pod Americans... Plain vanilla SCENT is now a luxury weed FLAVOR... Thats todays reality: people smoking aromas and claiming to get flavor from it. People claiming lemon og gets its flavor from an easily switchable scent product: fruit peel limonene,when it's actually a complex blend of acids, none of which are on a terpene panel.

Any breeder who, in 2019, doesn't even own a vaporizer and/or do extracts, they are excluded from the flavor discussion, they do not understand it. Earthy? That's kinda wide catch all at this point. You gotta pry, does that mean sandalwood? Ancient buried banana crystals from alien stoners? Biological? Like dirt? Aint no weed on earth that tastes like dirt btw, just a bunch of dirt growers who don't know how to keep their bud from tasting like nutrients.


Tldr: Most people growing smoking and selling Cannabis are unqualified on multiple levels. Quality has been replaced with marketing tactics. Terpenes do not have taste. Citric acid is not a terpene but i taste it in lots of weed.
 
Don_Sequitor

Don_Sequitor

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LinguaPeel said:
First of all terpenes have zero flavor, only aroma. Terp talk has done nothing but ruin weed and the timing isn't coincidental. Fake terps are now the legacy of American weed. Fake American , synonamous. Thats domestic weed now that big corporations who won't grow legit bud have seen tons of the shit sold for craft prices. Its too late now they've been selling fake weed in Arizona since 2012 (Az ops are pheno farms for big tobacco, and Az mmj is the infected pulled sprayed renamed culls from those ops (and the thousands of distillate pen flavors of course,which all taste like saran wrap anal rape))

I've concluded 99% of the population absolutely cannot perceive flavor. Especially on the west coast. Fukashima or something for them fucked up. Evolution has failed us. Stuff that's suppossed to make people puke, the masses now claim to be enjoy. Tide pod Americans... Plain vanilla SCENT is now a luxury weed FLAVOR... Thats todays reality: people smoking aromas and claiming to get flavor from it. People claiming lemon og gets its flavor from an easily switchable scent product: fruit peel limonene,when it's actually a complex blend of acids, none of which are on a terpene panel.

Any breeder who, in 2019, doesn't even own a vaporizer and/or do extracts, they are excluded from the flavor discussion, they do not understand it. Earthy? That's kinda wide catch all at this point. You gotta pry, does that mean sandalwood? Ancient buried banana crystals from alien stoners? Biological? Like dirt? Aint no weed on earth that tastes like dirt btw, just a bunch of dirt growers who don't know how to keep their bud from tasting like nutrients.


Tldr: Most people growing smoking and selling Cannabis are unqualified on multiple levels. Quality has been replaced with marketing tactics. Terpenes do not have taste. Citric acid is not a terpene but i taste it in lots of weed.
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"flavor" "retro nasal" either way super tasters are out there and the scent is noticeable after they tell me.
 
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Aussieaceae

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LinguaPeel said:
First of all terpenes have zero flavor, only aroma. Terp talk has done nothing but ruin weed and the timing isn't coincidental. Fake terps are now the legacy of American weed. Fake American , synonamous. Thats domestic weed now that big corporations who won't grow legit bud have seen tons of the shit sold for craft prices. Its too late now they've been selling fake weed in Arizona since 2012 (Az ops are pheno farms for big tobacco, and Az mmj is the infected pulled sprayed renamed culls from those ops (and the thousands of distillate pen flavors of course,which all taste like saran wrap anal rape))

I've concluded 99% of the population absolutely cannot perceive flavor. Especially on the west coast. Fukashima or something for them fucked up. Evolution has failed us. Stuff that's suppossed to make people puke, the masses now claim to be enjoy. Tide pod Americans... Plain vanilla SCENT is now a luxury weed FLAVOR... Thats todays reality: people smoking aromas and claiming to get flavor from it. People claiming lemon og gets its flavor from an easily switchable scent product: fruit peel limonene,when it's actually a complex blend of acids, none of which are on a terpene panel.

Any breeder who, in 2019, doesn't even own a vaporizer and/or do extracts, they are excluded from the flavor discussion, they do not understand it. Earthy? That's kinda wide catch all at this point. You gotta pry, does that mean sandalwood? Ancient buried banana crystals from alien stoners? Biological? Like dirt? Aint no weed on earth that tastes like dirt btw, just a bunch of dirt growers who don't know how to keep their bud from tasting like nutrients.


Tldr: Most people growing smoking and selling Cannabis are unqualified on multiple levels. Quality has been replaced with marketing tactics. Terpenes do not have taste. Citric acid is not a terpene but i taste it in lots of weed.
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Might be ignorance on my part, though i have to ask, aren't smells and flavour directly related? Some weed tastes exactly as it smells, in fact i'd say all the better weed i've smoked that immediately comes to mind did / does.
Scratch a piece of lemon peel, then lick the oils, it likely tastes very similar to how it smells. Chew a handful of pine nettles, and it likely tastes piney. Apple skin smells a lot like the taste of apple. Orange peel smells very similar to the taste of orange.
It's surprising imo what we can smell as far as flavor goes. Why does smell and flavor seem to be so similar, yet isn't at all related?
Is it just the brain saying so, because the smell is nostalgic and reminds the brain of how good it tasted before?
Or could it be taste receptors, picking up nano sized particles we inhale? This is where i'm leaning towards myself.
 
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waterproof808

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hotrodharley said:
Leafly is far better organized for stuff like this. I don’t trust breeder claims for much when it comes to flower times, yield or flavor profiles. I would prefer an actual terpene profile. There are legal growers here who are starting to provide these due to increasing interest in terpenoids and their varied effects.
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So you dont trust the breeders that are most familiar with their own work but you trust Leafly, one of the biggest sources of misinformation in the industry?
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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waterproof808 said:
So you dont trust the breeders that are most familiar with their own work but you trust Leafly, one of the biggest sources of misinformation in the industry?
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Depends. I know the reviews on Leafly by actual users is usually pretty right on. I live in a legal state and watched 3 breeders take seeds from me for licensed grows and only one even gave a clue as to the overwhelming bubble Gum taste. Two renamed it totally. All have crossbred so there you go. I’ve named bagweed because people don’t like buying without a name.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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A lot of disagreement with what was spouted above. I’m sure he’s more knowledgeable.

“TERPENES
Consider the role of terpenes, for example. Terpenes are volatile aromatic molecules that evaporate easily and readily announce themselves to the nose. Various researchers have emphasized the pharmacological importance of terpenes, or terpenoids, which form the basis of aromatherapy, a popular holistic healing modality. Marijuana’s compelling fragrance and particular psychoactive flavor are determined by the predominate terpenes in a strain.

Around 200 terpenes have been found in cannabis, but only a few of these odiferous oily substances appear in amounts substantial enough to be noteworthy, or nose worthy, as it were. Among them are monoterpenes, diterpenes, and sesquiterpenes, which are characterized by the number of repeating units of a 5-carbon molecule called isoprene, the structural hallmark of all terpenoid compounds. The terpenes in marijuana have given the plant an enduring, evolutionary advantage. Pungent terpenoid oils repel insects and animal grazers; others prevent fungus.”

In my actual experience it’s ignorance what was said by the RIU user above.


https://www.projectcbd.org/science/terpenes-and-entourage-effect
 
pulpoinspace

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Don_Sequitor

Don_Sequitor

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Aussieaceae said:
Might be ignorance on my part, though i have to ask, aren't smells and flavour directly related? Some weed tastes exactly as it smells, in fact i'd say all the better weed i've smoked that immediately comes to mind did / does.
Scratch a piece of lemon peel, then lick the oils, it likely tastes very similar to how it smells. Chew a handful of pine nettles, and it likely tastes piney. Apple skin smells a lot like the taste of apple. Orange peel smells very similar to the taste of orange.
It's surprising imo what we can smell as far as flavor goes. Why does smell and flavor seem to be so similar, yet isn't at all related?
Is it just the brain saying so, because the smell is nostalgic and reminds the brain of how good it tasted before?
Or could it be taste receptors, picking up nano sized particles we inhale? This is where i'm leaning towards myself.
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Taste receptors pick up sweet, sour, bitter, salty and umani (glutamate). They are located on the tongue. Aroma and flavor are closely related, but the difference is that flavor is retro nasal. The flavor of a dab is the aroma smelled after you exhale. And the flavor of a medicated cookie is it aroma after being chewed up and reacting with saliva.

The point is that flavor is complex and different for each person. There is no such thing as a wrong consumer preference. However, the goal is to meet people's expectation. For example, in 1992 Coke released a variant of regular coke called, Coke II. A trained panel of expert tasters agreed that Coke II was an improvement. Did price follow "quality?" No, consumers rebelled and wanted the original coke taste that they had growing up. And that is why everybody wants the original Skunk #1.
 
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