first time bubbler

Dantonite

Active Member
HI everyone :joint:

As the topic says, first time bubbler here, I am going Aeration-Equipment-Fish-Pet Supplies: Pets At Home Online Pe and getting everything on the aeration page.. do I need anything else?

also I eant to get into the compost tea malarky, but my plants (4 cheese) have only been in their 3.5l pots in fresh westlands advanced for 2 weeks, so a week or so to go before they will need feeding, but then they will be in thier final pots of 11l so they wont need feeding if you know what I mean:confused:

I do have some molasses, I also got some distilled water from me dehumidifier + whatever rainwater I can find, ooh also got liquid seaweed and canna rhizotonic..

I wouldn't know where to go to find bat guano (uk) local garden centres dont seem to stock it, then again I don't really know what the product looks like and a few times there has not been anyone around, so chances are i walk past it ffs :grin:

anyway enough waffling from me... girls are under a 400w digital poot (BAL) in a wee cupboard that is 2.5ft deep, 4ft wide, 5.5ft high.

Have loads of questions but will try and see if i can find out before asking.

really am leaning towards growing totally organic but the jargon etc goes right over my head.. so please keep it simple.. if you was going to petsathome for some bubble gear.. what would you come back with.

ta

and thanks for letting me join.
 

Londoner

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welcome to RIU,

GroWell > Hydroponics, Grow Lights, Grow Rooms & Plant Lighting sell bat guano and other organic nutes and soil improvers, and they sell bio-sevia, they say its the first truly organic hydro feed, and its light and clear, not like traditional thick and gloopy organic nutes, i assume when u say bubbler u mean dwc? bio-sevia apparently does really well in dwc. growell sell all the bits needed to make your own diy dwc bubblers, its where i go for all my growing bits. how u gettin on with the westlands advance west+ soil? u using the peat formulation yea? iv heard on a few uk forums quite a few people say its changed and are having problems with it, some bags really low in nutes and causing bad deficiencies in early veg, and other bags too high in nutes, burning even established plants! i first started using bio bizz all-mix with good results but always got plagues of fungus gnats with it, then switched to canna terra professional which is shite and nearly £20 per 50ltr bag, been testing westlands multipurpose west+ compost with added john innes on the advice of this uk forum and getting fantastic results with it, far superior to all-mix and only £5.99 per 60ltr bag! and i hear B&Q multipurpose with john innes is very good too and even cheaper.good to see more uk growers, uk needs more growers and less dealers!
 

billy no m8s

Active Member
iff i wer u i would go all out dirt! b organic u wont regret it! iff u wana do the bubble thing use it for taking ur cuttings! the space u have i would make into 2 rooms 1 large 1 small for veg! u havnt got nuf depth for mor than 1 plant, but u got plent of height! iv dun a few cheese and dun rite fella it,s a hell of a smoke gd luck
 

Londoner

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iff i wer u i would go all out dirt! b organic u wont regret it! iff u wana do the bubble thing use it for taking ur cuttings! the space u have i would make into 2 rooms 1 large 1 small for veg! u havnt got nuf depth for mor than 1 plant, but u got plent of height! iv dun a few cheese and dun rite fella it,s a hell of a smoke gd luck

real cheese?
 

Dantonite

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Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated, well I never went to petathome but to an aquarium shop, the pump was £3.00 more expensive but the the other stuff, airstones, piping etc was cheaper and the who gig worked out a whopping 20p cheaper than petsathome :bigjoint:

So far I have only bubbled some water from the dehumidifier.. I have read and re-read stuff on here and all i can say is that I end up getting in a fuddle and to be honest it gets disheartening, especially when you read conflicting advice in the same thread.. what some of us noobs need is simple childlike instructions to keep up the enthusiasm.

So what have i got to hand?

right now I got some westalnds advanced + compo... mollasses, chicken manure pellets, liquid seaweed, rhizotonic, and some trichodemia which was not stored propper but may still be okay.... so lets see if I have got the gist of this... as mine is a smaller grow amounts will be smaller and bubbling will take place in a 2 gal container..

So I take some of me compo and place it in a sock/pillowcase add some pellets, liquid seaweed, mollasses, trichodemia into the sock/pillowcase and then place the sock/pillowcase into 1gal of rainwater and then turn the pump on for a 48hrs? to bubble away.. then remove sock/pillowcase then use either as a foilar spray (undiluted?) or a soil drench (undiluted?).

Londoner, i used the term "bubbler" to highlight that this is the first time i have used a pump and airstone to put oxygen back into my water.. before I used to use tap water that has stood for 24hours.

Billy I hear you about the space, but my light is an all in one, (the ballast aint seperate) and to be honest its a fucking pain LOL, am thinking of getting a digi ballast to give me more freedom, I always thought my space was good enough to grow 6-8 plants in 6.5l pots?

btw the cheese will be in 11l pots real soon, well 2 of them anyway, the other 2 are going in 7.5l pots as i want to compare yeild and pot size.

thanks for your replies guys and sorry to waffle on a bit and go off topicish, I want to make some tea, but the sticky thread here just fucking confuses the fuck out of me.
 

Dantonite

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the westlands isn't too bad londoner, apart from being well woody, so much so I thought my roots were showing at the bottom 2 days after potting on, turned out to be twig, it drains well and is well light when dry, my plants first suffered a bit of nute burn on pot up and a bit of stress, but seem okay now.. I wont buy it again.. organic seems to be the way forward for me and i am sure its not as hard as i imagine it is.. have heard there is an organic compost out that uses sheeps wool, might give that a bash.. i once used the westlands peat free compo and it was pants, but that could be more to do with me not being switched on organically, maybe compost teas etc would have made a significant difference? have heard the microherd dont really dig peat anyway.

when it comes to organic, i get confused some as i have heard stories about bat guano mining practices, plus it has to be shipped here, then again i have read some good things about it.. swings and roundabouts I spose.

Is this site more dedicated to the American Canna Growers? if so a big hello to my fellow american/south american/native american growers and look forward to exchanging cultural differences with you, in terms of slang and local sayings.. its all good and we all love our pot.
 

billy no m8s

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got u now fella it,s tea ur making! av urself a look at the scoop on poop it,s on here!and check out osogreen he knows his shit so to speek! as 4 ur 6 to 8 plants in ur space, depends on how big u want them buds! and u need to make sure u get enuf light to the right places on the plant! hope this helps u. and iff u think u got problems with the computer thing! wen i was in school we still wrote with chaulk! lol
 

billy no m8s

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ye i think it was real cheese! well it was the stuf u gora go up mountain and smoke! thats iff u dun want evry cop in a qauter of a mile of u tapn on ur shoulder and i kid u not! real strong stuff !!!
 

Londoner

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the westlands isn't too bad londoner, apart from being well woody, so much so I thought my roots were showing at the bottom 2 days after potting on, turned out to be twig, it drains well and is well light when dry, my plants first suffered a bit of nute burn on pot up and a bit of stress, but seem okay now.. I wont buy it again.. organic seems to be the way forward for me and i am sure its not as hard as i imagine it is.. have heard there is an organic compost out that uses sheeps wool, might give that a bash.. i once used the westlands peat free compo and it was pants, but that could be more to do with me not being switched on organically, maybe compost teas etc would have made a significant difference? have heard the microherd dont really dig peat anyway.

when it comes to organic, i get confused some as i have heard stories about bat guano mining practices, plus it has to be shipped here, then again i have read some good things about it.. swings and roundabouts I spose.

Is this site more dedicated to the American Canna Growers? if so a big hello to my fellow american/south american/native american growers and look forward to exchanging cultural differences with you, in terms of slang and local sayings.. its all good and we all love our pot.

yep thats everything ive heard about west+ advance, try the westlands multi purpose with john innes, the peat free compo was pants because canna loves peat based soils and will always do better in them, just to let you know though, westlands, bio bizz and canna terra soils etc are not organic to uk standards, because they contain peat which is not allowed by the uk soil association unless it can prove that its ethically sourced, bat guano again isnt allowed by the soil association unless proven its ethically sourced, because of the way its mined an transported etc mate i just use westlands multipurpose with john innes with bio bizz grow and bloom + epsom salts if a magnesium deficiency occurs and i get great results! personally i dont bother with teas, guanos boosters or addatives as i dont feel they are necessary, used most of them and never really seen much difference than using my normal grow and bloom nutes, still got loads of bottles of addatives and boosters organic and synthetic, all a waste of money.if u wana go organic by soil association standards then the best soil and nute combo for growing canna is B.A.C procucts all fully certified organic. and yea this is mainly a u.s site, but there are quite a few uk growers here too. im a member of uk420.com too, its a great site with shitloads of uk based advice!
 

Londoner

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ye i think it was real cheese! well it was the stuf u gora go up mountain and smoke! thats iff u dun want evry cop in a qauter of a mile of u tapn on ur shoulder and i kid u not! real strong stuff !!!
yea i know cheese very well mate, growing big buddha cheese (which isnt real cheese its cheese x afghani) at the moment. got some real cheese cuts coming soon.
 

Dantonite

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thanks for the heads up billy bongsmilie my biggest fear and i spose most growers too, is disease, I want nice healthy vibrant plants, strong, sturdy, the dogs bollocks.. and compost teas seem to be the best way to achieve this, but being a noob i am worried about fucking it right up.. already got some nute burn for being too keen to pot up ffs :bigjoint:and now i am over paranoid about leaf spot ffs :mad:.. and thinking if i get myself into an organic frame of mind and good peeps here are willing to help me through it, then I would almost definately give it 100%, right now it seems like a huge mountain of complicated stuff and it would be much easier for me to say "fuck it" and keep on the way I am growing, but growing organically appeals to me middle class sense of being la-di-fecking-da :-D:-D:-D so messing with that last comment..


cheers peeps

ETA, i browse uk420 often and some articles there are 1st class, but i find people who post pics of real McCoy probs and give all the necessary info often get unanswered and then the ol contradictory advice slips in leaving the noobs more fecking confused than they was to begin with.
 

billy no m8s

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wot u gora remember with organics is to feed the soil not the plant! plus it,s a lot harder to overfert with organic than chemical, organic breaks down the nutes slowly so it,s no big shock to the plant! and anyway i always wanted to b a farmer wen i was a kid! so now i farm worms lol! one thing though u,ll b 4ever gettn dirt from under ur nails cuz it,s pretty hands on, but the smoke! well that,s for u 2 find out.
 
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