Federal Domestic Military

7xstall

7xstall

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does anyone know how many DEA agents there are, total? FBI, ATF?

i'm trying to figure out how large the federal domestic military force is. even though these figures are supposed to be public i can't find them..

on another note:
does any else think that our recent wars are battle hardening future cops? police agencies actively search for and recruit veterans who have seen combat in wars. from government killing machine to officer of the law.

is this good? y/n?









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dankie

dankie

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# FBI employees 2003
# DEA employees 2003
ATF is a little harder to come to because they are an arm of the US Treasury.
Don't forget the Secret Service.
Fish and wildlife might be of interest also. I wasn't able to find their numbers on their website.

As far as having a more aggressive police force because of all the veterans coming back, I'm not to sure about that, but you could probably check the number of police brutality cases in years following conflicts. You can find that info at the DOJ website.
 
Chrisuperfly

Chrisuperfly

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Military have alway been recruited by the police, fbi, cia, ss, etc. Let's flip the script for a second, who would you rather have taking out bad guys, some high school kid scared shitless at the sight of a gun or someone that knows how to handle weapons and already posseses some or most of the basic skills of becoming a law enforcement officer? Not to mention the fact that they know how to take orders, and they know how to lead (for the most part).

As far as government service goes, veterans get a pretty good deal if they transition from military to goverment employment. Retirement benefits are fantastic first of all, there is dual-compensation for retired military. Its a good deal.

Backround checks are much easier as well. Your life has been on record for the past, however many years you were in. They know where you have been what you have done, training, etc. A lot of military have security clearances. This, depending on where you live, could give a vet 20k more a year once they seperate just because they have a clearance. I had a yankee white clearance while in the military and I started recieving phone calls 4-6 months before I even got out of the military from head hunters wanting to hire me.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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dankie said:
# FBI employees 2003
# DEA employees 2003
ATF is a little harder to come to because they are an arm of the US Treasury.
Don't forget the Secret Service.
Fish and wildlife might be of interest also. I wasn't able to find their numbers on their website.

As far as having a more aggressive police force because of all the veterans coming back, I'm not to sure about that, but you could probably check the number of police brutality cases in years following conflicts. You can find that info at the DOJ website.
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wow, thanks! i would like to watch and see how the numbers are affected as soldiers get out...






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7xstall

7xstall

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Chrisuperfly said:
Military have alway been recruited by the police, fbi, cia, ss, etc. Let's flip the script for a second, who would you rather have taking out bad guys, some high school kid scared shitless at the sight of a gun or someone that knows how to handle weapons and already posseses some or most of the basic skills of becoming a law enforcement officer? Not to mention the fact that they know how to take orders, and they know how to lead (for the most part).

As far as government service goes, veterans get a pretty good deal if they transition from military to goverment employment. Retirement benefits are fantastic first of all, there is dual-compensation for retired military. Its a good deal.

Backround checks are much easier as well. Your life has been on record for the past, however many years you were in. They know where you have been what you have done, training, etc. A lot of military have security clearances. This, depending on where you live, could give a vet 20k more a year once they seperate just because they have a clearance. I had a yankee white clearance while in the military and I started recieving phone calls 4-6 months before I even got out of the military from head hunters wanting to hire me.
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you're asking if i would prefer to have a combat trained soldier or a scared kid "taking out bad guys"... i guess that depends on who the bad guys are. if i happen to be one i'd prefer to go against the kid myself! if a psychotic mass killer who's armed to the teeth and a good shot is the bad guy then i would prefer the soldier to use his battle savvy wit to take him out.

since most crime is non-violent and doesn't involve any weapons i don't think we need a lot of battle hardened soldier-cops. i also think that in terms of federal domestic military, where there is prolonged investigation and extensive fact finding and other non-military skills involved, ex-soldiers can be more of a liability than a productive asset. obeying orders and being submissive to superiors isn't always a great thing.

it all comes down to mental aptitude. just because a guy went to Iraq doesn't mean he's going to be a great cop who's ultimate goal is to uphold the Constitution and protect citizens.






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7xstall

7xstall

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don't misinterpret my post as saying that ex-mil shouldn't be cops. if that's their true ambition i support that. if they are lured into law enforcement because they are overly "institutionalized" or insecure about other lines of employment - we have a problem.






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Chrisuperfly

Chrisuperfly

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7xstall said:
don't misinterpret my post as saying that ex-mil shouldn't be cops. if that's their true ambition i support that. if they are lured into law enforcement because they are overly "institutionalized" or insecure about other lines of employment - we have a problem.

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Honestly, I would rather have an ex-military guy patrolling my streets than joe shmo the ex-cpa.

Another thing to take into account is if your ex-0311 11X ground pounding shit kicking grunt infantry, there arent too many career opportunities fitting your skill set out there.....besides cop or mercenary.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Chrisuperfly said:
Honestly, I would rather have an ex-military guy patrolling my streets than joe shmo the ex-cpa.

Another thing to take into account is if your ex-0311 11X ground pounding shit kicking grunt infantry, there arent too many career opportunities fitting your skill set out there.....besides cop or mercenary.
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So, are you a cop? Welcome to the police state. A camera on every corner, A national ID card, Cops with shoot to kill mentality. I'd say, hardened combat troops from Iraq need at least a year of de-briefing to be let back into society. After seeing what they have seen, it wouldn't take much to set them off. For us that haven't seen the evils of war in a while (Body parts blown around everywhere) it is almost too much to imagine, but these young guys have just come back from the killing fields. They need some R&R before looking for a Job. The Military needs to pay these guys for a year after they are released so they can regain their sanity before having to take on the responsibility of a Job and all that entails.
 
Chrisuperfly

Chrisuperfly

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medicineman said:
So, are you a cop? Welcome to the police state. A camera on every corner, A national ID card, Cops with shoot to kill mentality. I'd say, hardened combat troops from Iraq need at least a year of de-briefing to be let back into society. After seeing what they have seen, it wouldn't take much to set them off. For us that haven't seen the evils of war in a while (Body parts blown around everywhere) it is almost too much to imagine, but these young guys have just come back from the killing fields. They need some R&R before looking for a Job. The Military needs to pay these guys for a year after they are released so they can regain their sanity before having to take on the responsibility of a Job and all that entails.
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Hate to dissappoint you but, I'm not a cop. I am a project manager/engineer. There is decompression time upon return from deployment. The problem is a lot of guys don't do it. They start seps right when they get back. A lot of guys don't take advantage of opportunities to better their education while they are in also, and that is another problem. There is so much free education available these days while in the military that you can get a degree without anything out of pocket at all.
 
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