Facing the Poppies

Bubblerman00

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Hi. I wanted to grow some opium poppies but have mixed signals every which way I go. Does ne1 know whether the plant lives for 90 days or is it 120 days? Also I have heard that after the last petal of leaf falls off then you keep you eye on the band on top and when it right puncture 1/16 of a inch with a box cutter. Check out this link though:
http://www.opioids.com/opium/faq.html
Look for the first paragraph under harvest. So for heavens sake I am confused about 90 days or 120 days and I m confused about when to harvest.
How will I know when to flower them? 2 mos 3 mos or something else ??
:peace:
 
Hi. I wanted to grow some opium poppies but have mixed signals every which way I go. Does ne1 know whether the plant lives for 90 days or is it 120 days? Also I have heard that after the last petal of leaf falls off then you keep you eye on the band on top and when it right puncture 1/16 of a inch with a box cutter. Check out this link though:
http://www.opioids.com/opium/faq.html
Look for the first paragraph under harvest. So for heavens sake I am confused about 90 days or 120 days and I m confused about when to harvest.
How will I know when to flower them? 2 mos 3 mos or something else ??
:peace:


Do you have opium before the petals fall off or after and you wait for the ring on the pod to darken? I mean it's opioids.com that says as soon as the flower petals open its ready which makes no sence cause everybody else says wait until every last petal falls off and wait for the top of the seed pod to darken. I've even seen pictures? TIA
 
There are alkaloids in the entire plant. However, these alkaloids are most concentrated in the ripe opium poppy pod. So sure, you might get something from an unripe pod, but you'll get the most opium latex if you are just patient and wait for your pod to swell up and get ripe.

It's similar to a jalepeno pepper. The pepper plant grows flowers, then the flowers fall off, and a pepper grows where the flower was. You wait for the pepper to get big and ripe before you pick it, right? Same thing with the poppy pod.
 
I found this a while back and saved it it is very general, hope it helps. unfortunately i do not remember the author so i cannot give credit.

Opium poppy: Papaver somniferum
DISCLAIMER:
This information is presented purely for educational purposes. In many instances, the practices outlined are illegal. I have put together this FAQ with the intention of educating those with less experience than myself, and am infinitely grateful for the assistance of those who are more knowledgable and better educated. If there are any glaring errors or omissions herein, I can be contacted at the email address at the end of the FAQ.
LEGALITIES:
Being no expert on legalities I can sugggest you try the following:
The legalities of Papaver sp. cultivation depends entirely on the law in the state AND region where you live. If you live in a city, you might want to check with your local council, who will usually have a list of banned and/or noxious weeds on file. You could try requesting a list, saying, for example, that you intend to set up a herb garden and want to grow St John's wort (which is a noxious weed in many places) and would they mind sending you a list?
If you're in a rural area, try one of those Lands/Agriculture department type government agencies for a similar list. Then ring your local council. Laws governing the cultivation of plants operate at many levels - down to local.
Most Papaver species are legal to grow: some are NOT and are listed merely as weeds, which means that you _must_ take steps to eradicate them on your property and must not _cultivate_ them. In some instances their prescence on your property is not a problem PROVIDING that you are not cultivating them directly (ie they are classes as weeds), but not noxious weeds. P. somniferum is most likely to be problematic, but other Papaver spp may also cause legal problems depending on the paranoia of your government agencies.
And it is a question definitely worth following up.
PROPOGATION:
Several varieties of opium yielding poppies exist - Persian White has the largest bulb and subsequently highest yield. Another more common variety has purple petals with a white centre-don't know the variety name - its much easier variety to find than the white, but with smaller pods and a lower opium yield.
Papaver somniferum is basically a winter crop in the Southern hemisphere, preferring cool nights and warm days and will stand slight frosts. It is possible to germinate seeds in summer using plant tissue culture processes and Murashige & Skoog basic medium- stick the cultures in the fridge until they germinate. I have no successful experiences with planting these on- possibly due to the short lifecycle of the poppy, but this could be a useful starting point for experiments where the object is to cultivate poppies year round. I have tried to stratify the seed in my refrigerator with a view to inducing germination for early plantings- this has not been successful, but has not seemed to compromise the fertility of the stratified seed in any way.
All poppies like sandy soils (or at least well drained ones) with a little bit of shelter and not too much shade. Prepare beds in advance by digging fertilisers and any claybreak leaving about six weeks between each dig. Cover the beds with mulch and let them sit for a month or so. You CAN fully mulch the beds, and sow into rows where the mulch has been completely removed to about 7cm away from both sides of the seed row. DO NOT MULCH OVER SEEDS OR MULCH TO THE STEMS OF ADULT PLANTS - this makes them susceptible to fungal infestations of the browning-off type!
Plant on or around Mayday (in the Southern hemisphere) by raking into prepared beds. Broadcast seeds or sow thickly in rows. Young poppy plants resemble lettuce seedlings. Stronger plants will become apparent at about 7cm high. Wait until about 10cm high and thin as follows:
Poppies DO like a bit of companionship, so thin around a clump of 2-3 strong plants. Two thinnings about four weeks apart will ensure that plants have enough 'companionship ' (i.e. shelter, shade and whatever allopathic conditions favour clumps as opposed to individual plants). I tend to thin seedlings progressively, over a month or so, leaving only enough room for strong plants to grow into, without leaving vast spaces between plants. Poppies do not like to be moved and it is better to sow directly into beds than to transplant, which can result in stunted growth and a later, shorter flowering season.
Interplanting with ranunculus and/or anemone, which flower at the same time and have a similar leaf and flower formation, may reduce flower visibility: this is important in areas where cultivation of opium poppies is illegal. Also handy to remember is the fact that flowering plants of equal heights can distract the eye effectively. I have found that milk thistle, parsley and salad rocket all flower at the same time and height as opium, and provide excellent diversion.
Keep the beds well weeded (poppies hate too much competition though shorter type groundcover weeds such as chickweed can keep the soil moist). Keep the water up to them in dry areas. Opium poppies (particularly the purple ones) are weeds in many places and can stand a bit of neglect. For some strange reason the tallest and most vigorous poppies are often the ones that got walked on by accident in their youth. Experiment!
The plants may look a bit weedy when the flowers start to happen, don't worry, flowering gives the plant a bit of a boost.
You will get a lot of thinnings: young plantlets which have been removed from the garden bed to make room for stronger plants. If you're keen you CAN make use of them. I have references which list young plants 10-20cm high as having up to 71mg/100g dry weight of alkaloids. This can seem insignificant until you consider that opium is only about 12% alkaloids, and you can end up with a kilo of thinnings or more in your home garden. I estimate a couple of grams of smokeable opium type extract can be extracted using methanol. And given that thinnings usually appear prior to flowering commencing, why would you waste a chance?
On the other hand you CAN drop the thinnings into hot water and allow to steep for 10 minutes, which produces a vile tasting tea. Opium tea, in my humble opinion, is fucked. It tastes horrible, needs fresh flowers to be halfway potent, and does not store well. All alkaloids are apparently present in such a tea in roughly equal proportion to that which occurs in crude opium, but this improves the taste not one whit. Potency varies with opium tea: you can drink a glass and feel nothing, or drink a glass and discover in half an hour that you've had too much. Smoking O is a more immediate route and allows for better dose control. Smokeable O is also easier to store and has a long shelf life.
The alkaloids in Papaver somniferum are present in the plant their pure form, and are combined with so called vegetable acids. Combined with acids, alkaloids tend to be more soluble than the free bases. An early method for the extraction of morphine involved addition of calcium chloride to the filtrate of opium 'soup'. The calcium would precipitate the calcium salt of these vegetable acids as a sort of soap scum leaving a crude morphine hydrochloride.
Opium varies in alkaloidal content from batch to batch, and between regions. The British Pharmacoepia 1954 lists Yugoslavian opium as the most potent at 15-17% alkaloid content, followed by opium from Turkey, Iran, and Indian opium was at the bottom of the list with a 9-10.5% alkaloid content.
HARVEST:
As soon as flower petals open, pull them away from the capsule to expose the green seed pod, slice the surface of the pods with a SHARP blade (I find a Stanley blade best) and either place seepage directly onto fresh marijuana which is then dried, or collect the exudation into a vessel ( eggcups are good ) and store to dry. This operation is best done in the early morning- I've found that yields decrease as the temperature rises.
Another method is to slice the seed heads and wipe the opium onto cigarette papers. You can pull the dried opium latex away from the paper to store in airtight bags at a latter stage.I've found opium is best stored in a dry environment - can't remember whether its hygroscopic or not, but keep it dry for best results
In a large harvest two layers of extract will form from the opium seepage. Separate the two layers if possible - it may be possible to do this at harvest stage especially with the Persian White variety as the two layers have distinctly different weights- one can be used to enhance the potency of heads or leaf, and the other is a high grade opium product best appreciated on its own.
Discard all sliced poppy heads as trash: they are a legal liability and should they be found a charge of cultivation can more easily be proved. For economy's sake, you can also use the weep at both the edges of the cut stem- best taken by wiping straight onto fresh dope leaves. It's not high quality yield from this cut, but hey, why waste it?
Resist temptation and save the first, last and largest heads to ripen without slicing for next year's seed. You can improve your strain over time, selecting for first, last, largest, most potent, whatever. I have not experienced problems with the strain 'running out' of genetic material as a result of inbreeding, as can happen with pot, or corn, or lotsa other stuff. This does not mean its not a potential concern, and ALWAYS take a chance and outbreed your variety: note results of any improvements and con serve your seed stocks
You can reslice yesterdays pods if you choose to keep them, though I've found the best way to increase yields is to remove spent flowerheads at the base of the main stem or where the flower stem joins to a larger branch - this encourages new flowers to form. Leave only the capsules you intend to save for seed.
Flowers continue until end October/start November in the southern hemisphere. Usually pod sizes decrease with the age of the plant- though this is not always the case with transplanted poppies. Keep the seeds from your best pods (if you think that you have enough seed to select for yield) or just keep the seed from any old pods (this is a strategy for preserving genetic variance and is the better practice in small crops).
Poppy seeds are VERY tiny, shake or crush the seed pods and remove any non-seed trash for best storage. Place in an airtight jar in a cool place, use one of those wretched drierite sachets you find in vitamin pill jars to absorb moisture, in my view seeds will remain viable for no more than three years even under optimum conditions. So take care to take fresh seedstock for everyyear
SMOKING OPIUM:
Opium is the name for the brown waxy exudation from the unripe seed capsules of Papaver somniferum. Opium is a combination of chemicals, not a chemical name in itself, as someone so rightly pointed out in Usenet recently. It's active ingredients are morphine, thebaine, codeine, papaverine and several others besides. Yield and proportions of opiates vary between individual plants, crops, varieties, areas. Other parts of the poppy plant (stems, leaves) produce a latex which dries and resembles opium, but the quality of the latexes from the other parts of the plant are not near as high.
Opium is described as a stimulant narcotic. Historically it has been prescribed as a painkiller, for inflammation unaccompanied by dyspnoea, in typhus, typhoid and smallpox etc.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT OPIUM IS AN ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCE.
Smoking it regularly can increase your tolerance- faster than you think. The good thing about growing your own opium is that usually by the time you think you've picked up a habit, you run out. The other good thing about growing opium is that it's a fiddly, low yield job, particularly using the easier to get, purple variety. You'd only do it if you were fairly dedicated to having a smoke of O. In the quantities it takes to pull a reasonable crop, it is way too much work for the money or the buzz...not to mention the risk.
The best way to smoke O is in a bong. Assume you've cut and grown your own O: store it in small flakes in an airtight bag, or just dry the heads you wiped it on and smoke them. You can mix O with tobacco or pot, or smoke it on its own.
O burns at a higher temperature than pot or tobacco, so keep your lighter at its hottest. Initially pack small cones as O will keep burning long after your tobacco or pot has gone out: you can waste quite a bit without realising it. The taste is a bit of a shock at first, but the smell of the smoke is a delightful sweetish pungent scent. If you've ever read anything about smoking opium you'll recognise the smell immediately...
My first smoke of O, some years ago now, reminded me of nothing so much as the first time I got stoned on pot. I grinned a lot. I snuggled with a friend as we watched TV. The best thing about an O stone is the lack of paranoia, and it's a stunning sex drug which can prolong orgasm etc. It's also a great painkiller, given its history of legitimate prescription that's hardly surprising.
As to the amounts you'd start with, it's best left to the individual really, start with a matchead size portion of opium per person and take it from there. The effects of O are fairly immediate, making it easier to calculate an appropriate smoking dose as opposed to say, dropping acid. It is, of course, much easier to overdose via oral dose of opium, which is why I've recommended the smoking route.
The effects of O last 2-3 hours, depending on body size, tolerance, how much you've smoked. I've absolutely no idea as to how long traces stay in your bloodstream. Side effects- well, you sleep well, and next day you experience a certain amount of lassitude if you've had a fair bit, but that's all I'm aware of. I've heard it can cause nausea and constipation and have experienced neither.
Pharmaceutical incompatibles: Astringents, alkaline carbonates, salts of copper, iron, mercury, lead and zinc.
Antidotes to opium poisoning are: stomach pumps, coffee enemas, 1/6 grain apomorphine hydrochloride hypodermically, emetic of zinc sulphate, 5 grains or so of potassium permanganate in a half pint of water. All sounds most unpleasant - just don't take too much in the first place.
You can purify opium further into its constituent alkaloids- then take the morphine and turn it into smack if you so desire. Wouldn't bother really, opium is a much more pleasant experience overall than heroin. And the skills you'd require are well out of the range of those described in this FAQ. It IS possible though, if you need more information you may well find it at the Lycaeum.
And yes, I believe its possible to get out of it on opium seeds, which CAN contain (depending on the seed source, age and your luck) absolutely minute traces of alkaloids. Positively microscopic traces...I estimate, however, that it would be cheaper and far less hassle to go out and buy a beer..........you'd need that many seeds .......and loads of determination. The presence of alkaloids in opium seeds has been a hotly debated thread on alt.drugs.chemistry for quite some time...check Dejanews index to find out about practically everyone's views on this subject.
Any responses, additions, offers of money re this FAQ, please post them to alt.drugs.chemistry.
Cheers,
 
Hi. I wanted to grow some opium poppies but have mixed signals every which way I go. Does ne1 know whether the plant lives for 90 days or is it 120 days? Also I have heard that after the last petal of leaf falls off then you keep you eye on the band on top and when it right puncture 1/16 of a inch with a box cutter. Check out this link though:
http://www.opioids.com/opium/faq.html
Look for the first paragraph under harvest. So for heavens sake I am confused about 90 days or 120 days and I m confused about when to harvest.
How will I know when to flower them? 2 mos 3 mos or something else ??
:peace:

I've never grown them indoors. Opium poppies are easy to grow outdoors in almost any climate, just let nature take care of it. They've rated as USDA Zone 8-10 plants (warm climates), but I've grown them in the cool rainy northwest and hot dry SoCal, and seen them in gardens from Ohio to Georgia to Alaska (although Alaska might be a challenge). If you live in a warmer climate, you can sow seeds outdoors in the fall for a spring harvest. If it freezes, sow them in spring after the last frost. They'll be ready for harvest mid-summer. Poppies are perennials, they won't die in zones 8-10 and will come back year after year. In colder climates they're seasonal, follow the spring planting guidelines. After the petals fall off, the large seed pod will gradually turn darker around the top, some varieties even turn almost black. They will self-seed for next year if you just leave a pod or two alone to burst on their own, or you can tie a bag around a pod to collect the mature seed if you want to spread it out. As far as harvesting opium, there are plenty of resources on the net for how to score the seed pod to collect the latex (I prefer the horizontal spiral method, working around the seed pod from top to bottom with your score, almost covers the entire pod with latex). You get best results leaving the pod on the plant during the milking process, so it's a good idea to plant them somewhere other than the flowerbed at your front entrance. They shouldn't really arouse suspicion, tons of people grow them, but if anyone asks just say they're breadseed poppies, which are indistinguishable to all but a trained botanist. Well, at least your average 5-0 isn't going to know the difference. I think the only state they're actually illegal to grow in is North Carolina, although you can still buy imported fresh flowers from a florist. You can also pick the mature (dark-ringed) pods, dry them out and make tea from them. Good stuff, but more a relaxant than a euphorant. There are lots of varieties, I've heard the Persian White and another called Hens and Chicks are the most potent. My favorite strain is "Lauren's Grape", it's plenty potent and a beautiful dark purple color that doesn't resemble a typical poppy so I can plant it all over the front yard without raising suspicion. I mix in some California Poppy (Cali's state flower, I think, but doesn't contain opioids, an unrelated genus) and a few other similar growing flowers to avert any suspicion. One harvest from 80-100 plants lasts me well through the year with plenty to share, but I smoke straight opium rarely, maybe every couple months. It's also good mixed with bud, but be careful. I got some killer Kali Mist once, buttered it up with a little dried latex, and got so fucked up I lost control of my faculties and shit my pants. One more thing, don't smoke it in a glass pipe or anything else designed for MJ. Taking a flame to it is too hot, you want to vaporize it over a flame, not in it. I have a little wood pipe I turn upside down over a candle. Never tried a vaporizer, but that might work well too if you can dial in the right temp.

Enjoy.
 
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