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TheBrutalTruth

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I agree with your premis that you and I should share the fruits of our labor, (On an Island by ourselves). What I disagree with about Capitalism is the disparity of compensation recieved by the ruling class as opposed to the working class and their problem of not having enough jobs to go around. I agree with the Premis that people should earn their way, but when there are no jobs, what then. Say there are 1,000 jobs and 3,000 people, what shall we do, let the 2,000 starve? This is most definently a class warfare situation, The poor against the ruling class. They, (the ruling class) have placated us with decent paying jobs untill the last 20 or so years, then the greed kicked in and the top tier started going up and the middle and bottom started going down. This is continuing at an unprecedented rate. The rich are still rich though, and will stay rich unless we pry it from their iron grip.
Which ironically more taxes on income will not do.

The only thing taxes on income (including pay roll taxes) do accomplish, is making it harder for everyone else to amass wealth.

And remember folks, Don't Steal, The Government hates Competition
 

medicineman

New Member
Which ironically more taxes on income will not do.

The only thing taxes on income (including pay roll taxes) do accomplish, is making it harder for everyone else to amass wealth.

And remember folks, Don't Steal, The Government hates Competition
Progressive income tax is what sustained this country untill the BushII era. Now we see the fruits of the bush tax cuts and the laisse-faire approach to capitalism, worked real well, eh? Maybe for the rich, but they are only a small percentage. I say tax them till they bleed. Don't expect me to cry for the greedy bastards. Bernie Madoff comes to mind. The taxes on his billions should wipe out his millions, I sure hope that bastard doesn't get away with one red cent, and gets a vacation at the governments expence, say a long one, 20 to life.
 

ViRedd

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Progressive income tax is what sustained this country untill the BushII era. Now we see the fruits of the bush tax cuts and the laisse-faire approach to capitalism, worked real well, eh? Maybe for the rich, but they are only a small percentage. I say tax them till they bleed. Don't expect me to cry for the greedy bastards. Bernie Madoff comes to mind. The taxes on his billions should wipe out his millions, I sure hope that bastard doesn't get away with one red cent, and gets a vacation at the governments expence, say a long one, 20 to life.
Laisse faire? Hardly. My definition of laisse faire is "leave us alone." What's your's Med?

Vi
 

medicineman

New Member
Laisse faire? Hardly. My definition of laisse faire is "leave us alone." What's your's Med?

Vi
Pretty much what the Bush regime let the Capitalists do in his tenure, renioved all obstacles to balls to the wall rape of the workers and taxpayers, by allowing the bubble to grow to bursting size without regulations, then Ka-boom, all the greed runs amok and a big implosion happens. Non regulated financial institutions turned into the largest Ponzi-scheme ever. making even Berni Madoff look like a whimp. This was your dream eh Vi, no control "laisse-faire" capitalism. Worked real well for some of the rich, but the rest of us are feeling it bigtime. my 300,000 house is now worth about 90,00, if I could even find a buyer. I hope you are happy, as in fact you had a major part in the bubble, jacking home prices so your commission would be greater. I wonder if all those folks that you sold a home to in the last few years, for over-inflated prices, now think you are such a great guy when their homes are worth less than 1/2 what you sold them for.
 

ViRedd

New Member
^^ I see Med. So your idea of Laisse faire would include the federal government forcing lenders to loan to unqualified buyers with the result of an artificial market being created because of distorted demand? Is that what you're saying?

Vi
 

ilkhan

Well-Known Member
We can't have "leave me alone" French crap when we have a central bank regulating currency!! That is what caused this mess. It was about 65% Fed, 25% Government, and 10% bankers/speculates. It was not the Guy making a couple hundred K a year. Punishing him hurts everyone.

Look the FED had interest rates way to low for way to long. This suited Bush because it made the Economy "look" strong. While he paraded the military around the world. When you make money available with low interest it causes people to Malinvest. This is what happened now we are seeing the correction from all the Malinvestment.

This is in no way an indictment of Capitalism or Lazie fare or whatever french crap you said. Because we don't have that at all. We have Keynesian economics that is a failed system.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
We can't have "leave me alone" French crap when we have a central bank regulating currency!! That is what caused this mess. It was about 65% Fed, 25% Government, and 10% bankers/speculates. It was not the Guy making a couple hundred K a year. Punishing him hurts everyone.

Look the FED had interest rates way to low for way to long. This suited Bush because it made the Economy "look" strong. While he paraded the military around the world. When you make money available with low interest it causes people to Malinvest. This is what happened now we are seeing the correction from all the Malinvestment.

This is in no way an indictment of Capitalism or Lazie fare or whatever french crap you said. Because we don't have that at all. We have Keynesian economics that is a failed system.
Laisse Faire - Invisible hand - Etc.

Though yeah, you are right, it is not an indictment of Capitalism. It is an Indictment of the Federal Reserve and its mismanagement of the nation's money supply.

Mismanagement that caused the Great Depression, and is causing this Recession.

Luckily for us, we have...

China to save us from our stupidity.

Hell, we should give them a great big whopping thanks.

They are still buying up treasury bills, thus protecting us from the full effects of the mismanagement of the Dollar at the hands of the Federal Reserve, and BCBO (Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama.)

How they do this is by buying up our debt (Trillions and Trillions of dollars worth) which means that instead of having the dollars the government is printing, and has been printing, hanging around here pushing prices up to the moon, they are safely sequestered in lock boxes in China where they can't pursue goods here.

What does China get out of this?

They get to keep the dollar at insanely artificially high levels that makes their currency look weak. Which means their goods are cheaper than our goods, and their labor is cheaper than our labor.

Machiavellian Economics Writ In Modern Finance.

Of course, the Politicians are not going to tell the Public the Truth. If they actually admitted that China was saving us from their stupidity it would make them look bad.

So they are going to avoid telling us the truth.

What just happened was the truth bitch slapping them in the face. The economic policies of the last century can not continue. We can not continue inflating the dollar, because eventually countries will no longer be able to purchase dollars.

When that happens we will have insanely high inflation.

It will also result in the dollar crashing and the price of imports going sky high.

Now, this would not be necessarily a bad thing, except for the fact that it looks like by the time Europe and China let the US fall we're going to no longer be an industrial nation.

So not only are we going to be bankrupt, but we're going to be effectively de-industrialized at the same time.

This recession is just a taste of things to come,

and as my signature says,

all BCBO (Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama) have been doing is trying to solve the problem by giving us more of what caused the problem. Easy money.

They don't seem to understand that they are trying to treat an alcoholic by giving them more whiskey...
 

ViRedd

New Member
This all started with the Wilson administration in 1913. That's when the Federal Reserve was established and when the 16th Amendment (the income tax) was ratified.

It was the year 1913 when the walls of liberty started to crumble.

Vi
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
This all started with the Wilson administration in 1913. That's when the Federal Reserve was established and when the 16th Amendment (the income tax) was ratified.

It was the year 1913 when the walls of liberty started to crumble.

Vi
House of Fiat Money, it's like a House of Cards, the higher you build it, the bigger the mess when it collapses.
 
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