Ending the drug war

Dr.WhiteWeed

Well-Known Member
If anyone knows about the drug war in mexico, you know that the war on drugs there is destroying the whole country. Will this happen to us? I mean, we account for 70% of mexico's drug trade. I personally think their nug is dirt, but i also think Obama should end this fuckin war now. How long could it take?:fire::weed:
 

ViRedd

New Member
How long would it take for Obama to end the drug war? One stroke of a pen while signing an executive order. That's it.

Vi
 

Kant

Well-Known Member
How long would it take for Obama to end the drug war? One stroke of a pen while signing an executive order. That's it.

Vi
well...it's not quite that simple. an executive order would end federal involvement but that actual act of setting something up that will take the money/drugs out of gangs and cartels requires some infrastructure. By that I mean we need to set up a system that requires licenses to sell and perhaps some other safety checks.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
If anyone knows about the drug war in mexico, you know that the war on drugs there is destroying the whole country. Will this happen to us? I mean, we account for 70% of mexico's drug trade. I personally think their nug is dirt, but i also think Obama should end this fuckin war now. How long could it take?:fire::weed:
You do have to understand that Mexico's problem is that its citizens are too busy crying about the Mexican-American War to do something about their current plight. A plight marked by an inept, corrupt bureaucracy, and a failure to actually address the issue in a logical way. Namely, legalizing drugs, and not trying to dictate to people what they do to themselves.

Besides, The only areas of the country where the Mexican Gangs would likely succeed in supplanting local government are in areas like San Francisco where the idiots in government are too afraid to allow the INS to enforce immigration laws, or to allow their officers to do the same when they catch criminals (they prevent their law enforcement from actually determine the immigration status of criminals.)

Such policies are self-destructive, and idiotic. The difference between a citizen, and an illegal immigrant is that a citizen agrees to abide by the laws of a society (more or less) while in the case of many criminal aliens they violate the contract by robbing, murdering, trespassing and disrespecting the customs of the United States.

Should we be aggressively sending all illegal immigrants back to their own countries? I think we should. It's hard to figure out how they can be portrayed as respecting the laws and customs of our society when their first act was to violate the laws of our society.
 

ilkhan

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They already have a system of distributing "harmful drugs" such as cocaine its called a pharmacy you go in sign a form that says you have read the laws and are aware of the dangers and your off to the races. I mean who is going to produce the stuff in a safe manner?? Its gonna be big pharma.

With Pot you just legalize it and let people set up "Pot bars" and "dispensaries" these will pop up on their own with little or no Federal government action required.
 

Hydrotech364

Well-Known Member
They already have a system of distributing "harmful drugs" such as cocaine its called a pharmacy you go in sign a form that says you have read the laws and are aware of the dangers and your off to the races. I mean who is going to produce the stuff in a safe manner?? Its gonna be big pharma.

With Pot you just legalize it and let people set up "Pot bars" and "dispensaries" these will pop up on their own with little or no Federal government action required.
That about sums it up Ilkhan. we can handle distribution:clap::weed:
 

IanCurtisWishlist

Well-Known Member
The only way to end the drug war is to kill the guy who started it. We must KILL Ronald Reagan! Ha ha, I threatened a former US president on the internet. If he wasn't already dead, saying something like this would be considered a major crime.

And if Reagan is not already dead, well, I guess a few dozen men with guns are on their way to bust down my door haha...
 

IanCurtisWishlist

Well-Known Member
You do have to understand that Mexico's problem is that its citizens are too busy crying about the Mexican-American War to do something about their current plight. A plight marked by an inept, corrupt bureaucracy, and a failure to actually address the issue in a logical way. Namely, legalizing drugs, and not trying to dictate to people what they do to themselves.

Besides, The only areas of the country where the Mexican Gangs would likely succeed in supplanting local government are in areas like San Francisco where the idiots in government are too afraid to allow the INS to enforce immigration laws, or to allow their officers to do the same when they catch criminals (they prevent their law enforcement from actually determine the immigration status of criminals.)

Such policies are self-destructive, and idiotic. The difference between a citizen, and an illegal immigrant is that a citizen agrees to abide by the laws of a society (more or less) while in the case of many criminal aliens they violate the contract by robbing, murdering, trespassing and disrespecting the customs of the United States.

Should we be aggressively sending all illegal immigrants back to their own countries? I think we should. It's hard to figure out how they can be portrayed as respecting the laws and customs of our society when their first act was to violate the laws of our society.
The Mexican drug cartels are as relevent to modern-day Mexico as the Italian Cosa Nostra was relevent to post-war Italy. Organized crime steps in when the state fails to act. In Mexico, these fuckers with guns run amock, bribing government officials and murdering innocent people. Mexico is a fucked up country with extreme poverty. Because the state doesn't provide people with a welfare service; because there is no escape from Mexico's poverty, what options exist for a hungry, poor mexican with nothing to lose? They can either try to sell plaster statues of Bart Simpson to American tourists and make 5 cents per day, or they can turn to the surrogate government --the organized crime--who will give them a "job". You want to eat tonight? Okay then, drive across the border with 50 pounds of shitty mexican schwag and you'll be set my man, we'll make you so rich that your family will never have to worry about housing or food again.

yeah, right.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
The Mexican drug cartels are as relevent to modern-day Mexico as the Italian Cosa Nostra was relevent to post-war Italy. Organized crime steps in when the state fails to act. In Mexico, these fuckers with guns run amock, bribing government officials and murdering innocent people. Mexico is a fucked up country with extreme poverty. Because the state doesn't provide people with a welfare service; because there is no escape from Mexico's poverty, what options exist for a hungry, poor mexican with nothing to lose? They can either try to sell plaster statues of Bart Simpson to American tourists and make 5 cents per day, or they can turn to the surrogate government --the organized crime--who will give them a "job". You want to eat tonight? Okay then, drive across the border with 50 pounds of shitty mexican schwag and you'll be set my man, we'll make you so rich that your family will never have to worry about housing or food again.

yeah, right.
La Cosa Nostra, wasn't rampant in Italy after World War II, at least not as rampant as people like you would believe. It was also supported by the US Government, because it was pro-capitalist, and pro-individual.

Besides, if you are going to point to Italy as an example, then tell me when the government of Mexico is going to get off its ass and deal with the Drug Cartels in an effective manner, like the Italian Government did.

Though speaking of Driving across the border. I have, I've been to Juarez. Not exactly the best place to live, but better than others. If the Mexicans would get off their ass and either fight for themselves and abolish their current inept government and destroy the drug cartels they would be able to sweep away the problems facing them.

Inept government, and criminals violating their laws. Of course, like I said before, the most effective way for them to handle the criminals is to DECRIMINALIZE the activity that are making those people criminals. In short, legalizing everything.

Once the criminals are no longer being attacked by the state then they have no reason to fight the state, and thus a return to peace is possible. Of course, the government would need to take a harsh stance on any other criminal activity, such as murder, rape and robbery to discourage those behaviors, but once they do that they will halve, maybe even quarter, the difficulties they are facing.

By attacking drugs they are attacking the way of life of those that are part of the drug cartels, and thus those people are cornered and essentially forced to fight. That doesn't mean they will continue to fight if the challenge is removed, and they are no longer cornered.

Though speaking of Mexico. Do you really think that having all these criminals running around is doing anything good for Mexico? When the average person has to worry about getting caught in the crossfire of a running gun battle between criminals and government agents?

No, either the Mexican government needs to take an aggressive stance similar to that taken by the United States in the 20s (Untouchables) and ruthlessly pursue criminals, or it needs to decriminalize activity.

It should stop fighting its battle like we fought the Vietnam War, where politicians were allowed to interfere in the mission, and change its goals, scope, and purpose at whim.
 

kronicsmurf

Well-Known Member
well we wouldn't have drugs coming in from mexico if it wasn't for the governments idea of prohibition. they have known for a long time that drugs come across the border and their fucking stupid war on drugs wouldn't even make a dent in the amount flowing through there. its time they fucking wake up and see it as more than a border issue. its a threat to national security that should never have gotten this far. whats to stop a terrorist from walking across the mexican border?
 

Dr.WhiteWeed

Well-Known Member
Hey guys, WOW that is some interesting info you guys got. I heard today that someone proposed to legalize weed in California, it would generate enough money to keep California out of debt. Way off topic, but i just downloaded all of the Penn and Teller: Bullshit episodes. I just watched one that talked about how near death experiences were just "vivid dreams" or not really your soul leaving the body. Since i know a bit about DMT i thought that it might be the culprit. Just as i suspected, wikipedia says that the idea of DMT release causing NDE(Near Death Experiences) has been proposed.

Well, i'm going to get back to smokin this tobacco water pipe ;)
I'm sure with all these intelligent people, we can get some good knowledge going around!
 

IanCurtisWishlist

Well-Known Member
Besides, if you are going to point to Italy as an example, then tell me when the government of Mexico is going to get off its ass and deal with the Drug Cartels in an effective manner, like the Italian Government did.


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I don't know if Italy's government has effectively broke up or dismembered the Cosa Nostra. I have heard that they still run the protection racket on businesses, and people still pay to not be persecuted by the mafiosi.

The problem in Mexico is that the government does not do anything about the drug cartels. Government officials are probably working together with the drug cartels because the drug cartels have the money. They can bribe their way out of any situation. Mexican government officials are not in danger of being killed, or threatened by the cartels. Their lives are too comfortable. It doesn't affect them directly, so they simply disregard it.
 

Hydrotech364

Well-Known Member
I know that if they would let us grow what we need here legally that the Mexican gangs would be feeling the hurt in the wallet within 4 months! We'll have the Heffe's over here roofing houses cause the herb business got slow:hump::blsmoke:
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Guys.. it's not as easy as saying "Okay, the war on drugs is over" and signing a bill... We need to kick the illegal immigrants out, and make our borders more secure (otherwise, the drugs will just cost more money but still have the same problem). There was an article like 3 weeks back about Mexican drug cartel selling massive amounts of shit through the states (you southern guys know what I mean, that shit was bad when I lived in AL). Part of it is that Mexico has a lot of piss poor people who can not afford to get an education and have to sell shit or fight for shit to live.. so I think as long as their country is hurting economically, there will be a drug issue.
 

Hydrotech364

Well-Known Member
I think that would work,Have to have a passport to be here.A permit to work.Pay taxes.The income would rise and the pressure put on the social and food supplies for the poor would not be as much.Just like almost every country.I think we only have this shit in the Americas,all my traveling has been too Australia and the orient and i really didn't pay much attention to there social workings.Maybe someone will figure this shit out :leaf::leaf::leaf:
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
I don't know if Italy's government has effectively broke up or dismembered the Cosa Nostra. I have heard that they still run the protection racket on businesses, and people still pay to not be persecuted by the mafiosi.

The problem in Mexico is that the government does not do anything about the drug cartels. Government officials are probably working together with the drug cartels because the drug cartels have the money. They can bribe their way out of any situation. Mexican government officials are not in danger of being killed, or threatened by the cartels. Their lives are too comfortable. It doesn't affect them directly, so they simply disregard it.
Up until they stop acting corrupt, that's probably true (the part about their lives not being in danger.) Why does government service always draw in the pansified sheeple?
 

medicineman

New Member
The problem in Mexico is that the government does not do anything about the drug cartels. Government officials are probably working together with the drug cartels because the drug cartels have the money. They can bribe their way out of any situation. Mexican government officials are not in danger of being killed, or threatened by the cartels. Their lives are too comfortable. It doesn't affect them directly, so they simply disregard it.
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Maybe you should tell this to the police chief of Juarez. They started killing one cop a day untill he resigned. Then he moved his family accross the border to El Paso and has 24/7 armed guards around his house. The drug cartels are either taking over or are the government. The CIA are the chief cocain smuggler from the 70s-present. To think governments are not involved in the drug trade is ludicrous. To keep the price up, they keep them illegal. Every once in a while, someone doesn't go along and they make an example out of them by busting them and inviting the media in to showcase the bust, meanwhile, another ton just drove accross the border in a CIA van.
 

Dr.WhiteWeed

Well-Known Member
The problem in Mexico is that the government does not do anything about the drug cartels. Government officials are probably working together with the drug cartels because the drug cartels have the money. They can bribe their way out of any situation. Mexican government officials are not in danger of being killed, or threatened by the cartels. Their lives are too comfortable. It doesn't affect them directly, so they simply disregard it.
si, senor!
the gov't is very corrupt. It's a war of ppl vs drug/gov.
 
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