I can honestly say that if you are on a budget but want to buy an led. Ebay led's is not a bad consideration. I'm not saying that it is better than any other competitor, because I dont know.. But personally, These damn things did it for me. I rate these for the money **** (4 stars). I am excited because I can now start a full grow using the full 480W and see the difference compared to the previous 180w +or-. No heat, cheap, long lasting, and effective why not. But if you can afford better MONEY TALKS!