i always notice pre flowers on my plants that are grown from seed about at the 5 inch tall - 8 inches.. depending on how i trim them. most of the time i have continued to veg for a month longer or more before i flower them. so far all the pre flowers have indicated correct. most of the time they stick around until flower, but a few times the preflowers dissapear. just look closely. they are small, but you know em when you see em.