Does this look like “clawing” to you?

john wishmyer

john wishmyer

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soil is ffof with alfalfa meal to get her through vegg
always watered between 6.0-7.0 please spare me the you should be phing at this talk this range is just what i have found works best for nutrient up take in my
grows.
until recently i have noticed that plant was looking healthy and thriving, last week i decided to add about a tea spoon n a half of some sea bird guano in order to prep her for flower( recommended was 2 tsp per gallon and shes in a 4 gallon smart pot) today i noticed the entire plant is clawing. shes watered about every 5 days if the pot is light or shes showing underwatered symptoms. uppon seing this i liftef the pot and it was fairly light i watered her phd to about 6.8 and waited about a hour or so still seems to be clawing and def not because shes underwatered. will slightly flush if things dont change. does anyone know if excess phosphurus does this???? trying to resolve this before setting her outside for flower.
 

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hotrodharley said:
Overwatering droop.
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so what you’re is once a week is way too much. on top of that shes in a frabirc pot on top of some tiling which gets mighty hot under a full days sun. ive had a pretty consitent watering schedule and no problem before im almost positive that its not over watering, champ.
 
jtrizzy

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john wishmyer said:
so what you’re is once a week is way too much. on top of that shes in a frabirc pot on top of some tiling which gets mighty hot under a full days sun. ive had a pretty consitent watering schedule and no problem before im almost positive that its not over watering, champ.
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Mine look identical caused by over watering in the same stupid pots. Your probably not watering too often, but too much at once. One gallon a week destroyed the plants similar size to yours. I did the same thing, honestly these pots just stay wet for so god dam long. Who knows, I made the same mistake.
 
john wishmyer

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jtrizzy said:
Mine look identical caused by over watering in the same stupid pots. Your probably not watering too often, but too much at once. One gallon a week destroyed the plants similar size to yours. I did the same thing, honestly these pots just stay wet for so god dam long. Who knows, I made the same mistake.
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i usually do less then a gallon, only enough to soak entire medium. i read to much water would pretty much flush out the amendments i added to my mix. again i have em on top of a gazebo made up of those pink clay tiles and with the weather we’ve been having lately this shit gets hot hot cant even keep my hand on it for more than a couple seconds. ive been told over watering soooo many times for all sorts of shit i cant stress how light my pot has to be for me to actually water it, basically i get as close to complete droopage as i can which i rarely let happen. you dont reckon upping the P in my soil caused this? ive also noticed burnt tips on older growth as well as the newest growth
 
jtrizzy

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john wishmyer said:
i usually do less then a gallon, only enough to soak entire medium. i read to much water would pretty much flush out the amendments i added to my mix. again i have em on top of a gazebo made up of those pink clay tiles and with the weather we’ve been having lately this shit gets hot hot cant even keep my hand on it for more than a couple seconds. ive been told over watering soooo many times for all sorts of shit i cant stress how light my pot has to be for me to actually water it, basically i get as close to complete droopage as i can which i rarely let happen. you dont reckon upping the P in my soil caused this? ive also noticed burnt tips on older growth as well as the newest growth
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Sounds exactly like me lol. My pots were very light, started to droop added water, looked good for 2 days, than droopy again, added more water, looked good for a few days than droopy. I didnt think I was over watering at all but apparently from the looks of it I was. What I do not understand is water being added makes them happy, but causes them to be over watered 24-48hrs later? This completely mind fucks me. I would think a over watered plant will look like absolute shit if more water is added. This is something I will never understand. If the pots are light as hell, add a little water see if they perk up. Don't do a full watering just in case they are over watered. If they perk up and stay that way for a day or two than it was under watering I would think. I think it is impossible to really know and perhaps you should not listen to me as my gut was wrong, so I think. In regards to the added P whats your PH that you are watering with? Too much potassium blocks the uptakes of other nutrients giving you more deficiencies usually look worse than that. This is all from what I read in the past, does not mean I am right. IF I were you I would double check PH, and water with straight PH'd water and let them bounce back. If they are as light as you say they are and the soil is as dry as you say it is than why not. Also the heat from those clay tiles cannot be a good thing. I too have those tiles and they reach temps of 110-130 degrees in the hot sun, not sure if your roots would thank you for that.
 
Kipn

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jtrizzy said:
Sounds exactly like me lol. My pots were very light, started to droop added water, looked good for 2 days, than droopy again, added more water, looked good for a few days than droopy. I didnt think I was over watering at all but apparently from the looks of it I was. What I do not understand is water being added makes them happy, but causes them to be over watered 24-48hrs later? This completely mind fucks me. I would think a over watered plant will look like absolute shit if more water is added. This is something I will never understand. If the pots are light as hell, add a little water see if they perk up. Don't do a full watering just in case they are over watered. If they perk up and stay that way for a day or two than it was under watering I would think. I think it is impossible to really know and perhaps you should not listen to me as my gut was wrong, so I think. In regards to the added P whats your PH that you are watering with? Too much potassium blocks the uptakes of other nutrients giving you more deficiencies usually look worse than that. This is all from what I read in the past, does not mean I am right. IF I were you I would double check PH, and water with straight PH'd water and let them bounce back. If they are as light as you say they are and the soil is as dry as you say it is than why not. Also the heat from those clay tiles cannot be a good thing. I too have those tiles and they reach temps of 110-130 degrees in the hot sun, not sure if your roots would thank you for that.
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i may be wrong but your adding oxygen when you water. the plant isnt suffering from too much water its lacking oxygen by adding more water your replacing the used up oxygen in the medium.
 
jtrizzy

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Kipn said:
i may be wrong but your adding oxygen when you water. the plant isnt suffering from too much water its lacking oxygen by adding more water your replacing the used up oxygen in the medium.
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so whats the better solution keep watering when it is suffering from lack of oxygen because of over watering? or let the soil dry out which in my case will take a really long time.
 
john wishmyer

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jtrizzy said:
Sounds exactly like me lol. My pots were very light, started to droop added water, looked good for 2 days, than droopy again, added more water, looked good for a few days than droopy. I didnt think I was over watering at all but apparently from the looks of it I was. What I do not understand is water being added makes them happy, but causes them to be over watered 24-48hrs later? This completely mind fucks me. I would think a over watered plant will look like absolute shit if more water is added. This is something I will never understand. If the pots are light as hell, add a little water see if they perk up. Don't do a full watering just in case they are over watered. If they perk up and stay that way for a day or two than it was under watering I would think. I think it is impossible to really know and perhaps you should not listen to me as my gut was wrong, so I think. In regards to the added P whats your PH that you are watering with? Too much potassium blocks the uptakes of other nutrients giving you more deficiencies usually look worse than that. This is all from what I read in the past, does not mean I am right. IF I were you I would double check PH, and water with straight PH'd water and let them bounce back. If they are as light as you say they are and the soil is as dry as you say it is than why not. Also the heat from those clay tiles cannot be a good thing. I too have those tiles and they reach temps of 110-130 degrees in the hot sun, not sure if your roots would thank you for that.
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possibly, but never had a problem in the past with them resting on the tiling. had always heard keeping the root zone on the warmer side was good for the plant. anyway as for waterings i always keep it between 6.0-6.8 heavily depending on what nutrient the plant is currently depending on for example if im vegging ill stick to that as for N being readily available in that range as for P i know the ph windows a little higher. anyway going to let her ride it out was just worrying i was coming across a problem before flower guess ill be keeping her im veg till this resolves will post more photos soon i case it does. i have been having a rather tough time with this cut took two exact identical cuts of the plant one perfectly fine vegged perfect not one single issue same soil same everything this cut keeps producing “fried” looking foliage like 3 leafed yellow all messed up while the other grew perfectly normal and revegged smoothly as could be. here a photo when she took to soil
 

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john wishmyer said:
possibly, but never had a problem in the past with them resting on the tiling. had always heard keeping the root zone on the warmer side was good for the plant. anyway as for waterings i always keep it between 6.0-6.8 heavily depending on what nutrient the plant is currently depending on for example if im vegging ill stick to that as for N being readily available in that range as for P i know the ph windows a little higher. anyway going to let her ride it out was just worrying i was coming across a problem before flower guess ill be keeping her im veg till this resolves will post more photos soon i case it does. i have been having a rather tough time with this cut took two exact identical cuts of the plant one perfectly fine vegged perfect not one single issue same soil same everything this cut keeps producing “fried” looking foliage like 3 leafed yellow all messed up while the other grew perfectly normal and revegged smoothly as could be. here a photo when she took to soil
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I have the same problem. 1 plant out of the 4 look perfect, picture perfect. Same soil, same feeding, same everything. Who knows . This was taken yesterday, so they do look a little better now, but look at the beauty in the top left, praying to the gods like she should. The rest, sad asf. Same everything.
 
SPLFreak808

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There really isn't a one shot solution for watering habits, you kind of just need to use a little logic & experience of what might have happened prior to its last watering, sometimes you need to adjust or compromise.

(E.g)

by mid/late flower most cannabis plants get pretty heavy and could easily throw off your "pot weight" which might cause you to underwater because you didn't account for flower weight and how it all hangs above the pot.

Things that can cause overwatering when you dont compromise the water/feed levels for stress/environment.

High RH/bad drainage/excessive rain - (pot never dries, plant has hard time eating, roots slowly die off)

High PPM/bad pH - (lockout,roots slowly die off)

Underwatering/excessive pot temps - (dry roots die off quickly, overwatering will show up easier if you do this without correction especially during flowering)

Backing up the light source - less photosynthesis & leaf surface temp = slower working plant that now requires less water to prevent long-term saturation

For those with watering problems, http://www.cannagardening.com/ten_watering_rules_of_thumb
 
Kipn

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jtrizzy said:
so whats the better solution keep watering when it is suffering from lack of oxygen because of over watering? or let the soil dry out which in my case will take a really long time.
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im not sure all i know is my outdoors are getting rained on daily atm and their a quarter the size of them outdoors but i have a fast draining medium. my plants haven't had a chance to get dry in over 3 weeks yet still perky so i say overwatering is a myth its more suffocation
i don't think overwatering is the problem with them plants though id lean more towards what ever crap he amended the soil with nitrogen toxicity claw type leaves and getting bit dark green
 
hotrodharley

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john wishmyer said:
so what you’re is once a week is way too much. on top of that shes in a frabirc pot on top of some tiling which gets mighty hot under a full days sun. ive had a pretty consitent watering schedule and no problem before im almost positive that its not over watering, champ.
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If you water once a week and they look like that you have root issues.
 
Kipn

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john wishmyer said:
amended ffof with just 2 teaspoons if worm castinga for a 3 gallon pot
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i have no idea what ffof is i use chicken poop and dirt from my back yard mixed with coca and a bit of compost i dont have a need to buy in soils. ive never used worm casting but apparently its good shit. start your own worm bin. im planing on doing that soon
i never ph my outdoor plants water just wet the bitch and let it go
 
john wishmyer

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Kipn said:
i have no idea what ffof is i use chicken poop and dirt from my back yard mixed with coca and a bit of compost i dont have a need to buy in soils. ive never used worm casting but apparently its good shit. start your own worm bin. im planing on doing that soon
i never ph my outdoor plants water just wet the bitch and let it go
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haha yessir i already have a big ass tub in the back with tons of food for my red wigglers just going to recycle my soil from now on
 
hyroot

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john wishmyer said:
checked under my leaves you’re right theyre tiny red dotsright? will neem
and spinnosad do the trick?
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No.

Sounds like they're red spider mites. Broad mites are white. You need a scope or a loupe to see them. Red spider mites are 4 times larger than 2 spotted spider mites and harder to kill.

Best option is what I said before. Dr. Zymes which is made from fermented citrus with potassium sorbate added. It's a contact spray. Meaning it only kills on contact. It will kill red spider mites, 2 spotted spider mites, russet mites, broad mites, white flies, etc..


You can make your own citrus ferment

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Also go with predator insects. Imo the best would be Amblyseius Andersoni

I order them every other round to keep everything pest free. Their main diet consists of spider mites, russet mites, and broad mites. But they can survive off pollen and fungus. They stick aroynd for about 6 weeks. Where others die off after 2 -3 weeks. Lady bugs don't work against any mites drim my experience.

I also get swirskii's to deter thrips, aphids and gnats

http://www.evergreengrowers.com/mite-control/amblyseius-andersoni-mite-control/amblyseius-andersoni.html
 
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