High praise…thank you!
Those questions were in response to another poster, specifically, but I appreciate you considering them.
The point about constraints has to do with the fact that there are *ALWAYS* conditions and considerations that present choices from a finite set, not from the godlike power of infinite *ability*.
Consider a flood: one could do anything in response, but there are limits imposed by reality. One can choose to do nothing and drown; choose to hang on for dear life…and drown (or not drown); choose to climb out of danger and watch others die; choose to save who you can, with death and survival hanging on subsequent choices; choose to try and make to town & see if Waffle House is open; choose to die, screaming how unfair it is.
Free will - in theory and practice - is indelibly bound to available choices (as we can’t (mostly) change conditions & circumstance by simply wanting to change them). Therefore, choice is ALWAYS circumscribed by reality, and it can feel to us humans as if we have no (meaningful) choice when faced w/ exigent/emergent situations: implying that we are not free, or that we want choices/actions that simply are not functionally available to us under the circumstances.
Consequently, the sense of constraint may make us feel forced against our will…and yet, will drives *action* - which is what couples it to *choice*, so…”free will” is in essence simply the freedom to choose what action(s) to take, if any. “Submit or die” is like the worst possible case…yet the choice is plain, and definite…no matter how undesirable, compared to the infinite wave of potential possibilities.
This is all the result of my own 50 years of struggle and contemplation (and parenting) - not from a book or a teacher…yet it seems to hold up durably.
Thanks so much for letting me chime in on your thread!.
Im in it to find Truth. It could be beyond my comprehension.
I do agree with what you say, and appreciate the verbosity of it. It helps solidify the idea you're sharing. But, I still see room for the other side even all the way to predestination. I am lazy. But, in times of crisis or need, I am driven to act. Even against my own self preservation. So, I see the constraints of reality making us feel without free will. I am just not able to see how it isn't pre set up through the initial conditions of the choices available. And if the initial conditions are set up at random, it makes the choices seem arbitrary.
Free will as the freedom to choose between available actions is how I would like to define it. Idk how any of us can say for certain what is going on. I would be surprised by the big reveal ending no matter what the "Reality" outcome was.
I do not know.
I also like to say "where there is a will, there is a way." I understand that if one is willing to do unconventional actions, they can accomplish extraordinary acts. If there is a system, there is a way to hack it. So, I proceed through life as if I have free will. But, I can still see that I may just be a program from that vantage point. I just look at ideas and consider them.
We are all individuals doing our own thing and living separate lives. But, back up a little and we disappear into careers, clubs, classes, races, genders. Back up even more and we are all just humans doing the human thing. Like bacteria. They seem to move along and do what they want too.
Thank you for chiming in. Thanks to the OP. The more, the merrier. We are all here until we are not.
" A quantum-Schrodinger's free will " ? That's a new one .............Schrodinger's Equation ......okay.....it " will " make predictions on quantum mechanical systems.
Ya lost me in this morass. Also, I always thought everything is relative. You carry on, you have a real passion for this topic ( must be you're hard-wired for this ). Great volleying with a deep-roller like you but the semantics on this forum give me a migraine.
Im spitballing with that. Thanks for being! I do enjoy the mysteries of living. Language is a poor tool for communicating. But, we haven't improved on it. The words meanings changing through vernacular over time isn't helping. And technical definitions not always being a literal interpretation of the meaning is confusing too.
Even after we are done with it, some others will have our conversation again. Maybe then there will be some new points to make, or some possible measurement to take, or a new understanding of our existence.
I know nothing.