Does anyone who has been visited by the cops have kids?

rbico

Active Member
I got my medical certificate today and the person there scared the shit out of me saying that if the cops do come to my door, they will for sure have CPS take my kid (5 year old). She said it was a certainty. I have been growing and very small quantity for years and now that I am legally able to do it, I am more worried than ever. I have never grown more than 10 plants and never ha more than 10 ounces at once. I don't get it.

Some of you here have mentioned that the cops have come to inspect things but were friendly and left. Do any of you have kids?

I googled busts and the only ones that mention CPS are massive grows wiht selling involved.


Thanks!
 

Mauler57

Active Member
I am in a state where medical marijuana has not been realized yet.... With any and all things meant for adults only, alcohol, weapons, etc, these items should be LOCKED away from minors. I believe the same for your grow. If you are a responsible parent, who's legal to grow for medicinal reasons in the eyes of your state, the local police should have no problem with your kids in the home. If you do get a surprise visit. Your grow area should be behind locked doors and NEVER have your medicine or any paraphernalia associated with your grow and use in open sight. I think if you just use your parental common sense you'll be fine. Remember, you are a LEGAL user!
 

probo24

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So in your state being a legal medical patient is probable cause for what?
Are the police there allowed to search the homes of all medical patients, or just
a narrow group of patients using a particular drug therapy?
Along the same lines, do the police have personal information on all medical patients,
or just the medical marijuana patients?
 

rbico

Active Member
thanks for the replies.

I am very delicate with my stuff. The reason I started growing - even before being legal - was because I didn't want any dealers or anything around my house, even if they were friends. nor I did I like going to dealers houses to get stuff. I guess I was never comfortable with the exchange and the protocol that goes along with it. Now that I have my own house, and more importantly my child, I don't want to take the chance. that was why it surprised me when that was the warning the doctor's office gave me (about CPS). it sounded like BS, but maybe she was thinking I was going to get a bunch of 1000 watt bulbs and grow a garage full. i am not. Just for me and my wife.

My grow has always been small and is on a different floor that is locked. My wife and I do not smoke around our kid and when we do it at home, it is on the same floor as where the grow is. Aside from the two of us, only 2-3 other VERY close friends know that we grow.

I guess I was more concerned if there was a fire or something. I am safe and things are setup safely, but I wanted to be prepared.
 

rbico

Active Member
by the way Mauler, that was more or less what I said to the doctor. I told her that it was legal in the state and CPS is a state-run agency. She just said it was still federally illegal and that CPS will definitely take children if I am growing in the same house no matter what floor it is on. She was absolutely certain and said it as fact. That doesn't mean it is fact, of course, but that is how she said it.

Personally, I still plan on being as discrete as I have always been be it smoking it or growing it. This was just a small bit of insurance, I guess.
 

Fykshun

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rbico - did you go to a naturopathic dr. associated with Green Wellness? I heard a very similar spiel from the girl at an office I visited. She also told me that Green Wellness has staff on hand to assist with legal matters. In my humble opinion, I think there are still a lot of operations holding their breath and waiting for the dream to come crashing down; hence all the warnings to their patients about being as discrete as possible. This girl also told me to make sure I had a stealthy operation. When I asked her why I still needed to be stealthy, rather than reflecting on possible robbery, she relayed that I shouldn't give cops a reason to sniff around. Again - I am a legal use, so why should I all of a sudden be MORE concerned about my hobby and my medication?

Word-up Mauler and Probo both!
 

tet1953

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I am from a different MMJ state -- Maine. You folks in WA or any other state who have or are interested in a card should do yourself a favor and find out for yourself what your law says. Should be available on your state's web site. We're not all legal scholars (I'm surely not) but most of it should be understandable. Don't depend on what others say. For example, here in Maine they cannot do any "inspections" of patients or caregivers. Until they revised the law earliler this year, it was permissible for caregivers with 3 or more patients to be inspected with 24 hr notice.
Get your hands on the law and know what it says.
 

rbico

Active Member
Thanks Fykshun.
Yes it was green wellness. She was nice but that bit of information scared me; she told me to just have someone else grow for me (aint gonna happen). I did not get any words about legal help, just not to grow in my house and to make sure I kept my pot in a locked room away from where my kid is otherwise I would run the risk of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Also to keep my pot in my truck if I am driving anywhere, which also didn't make any sense to me. Other than the common sense part of keeping my stuff away from my kid and not being flippant about it, the stealthy part made little sense to me. Anyhow, I feel a little better now knowing that it ws probably just the place I went becuase I did read all of the law and saw nothing that would imply CPS would be involved in anything.

Tet1953: I have read the laws and found nothing that would lead me to believe that CPS would be at my door. I was asking here because I saw lots of posts where people said that the cops came, read that they were legal and then left with no problems. I was just wondering if anyone with kids had that happen.
 

Duku

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I live here, have kids, Never been/ever will be an issue. Your Doc or whoever is nuts

I have locks on all my rooms and my child has no idea... kinda
I have a huge veggie and fruit garden indoor and out to cloak shit.

If you live in WA and are mmj. I would not worry about shit. If Cps comes to your door just tell them to leave. If they dont call the cops! Then call a lawyer.
 

rbico

Active Member
thanks Duku.

I thought that sounded more than a little odd. She said it was because it was still a federal crime, but when I brought up that CPS is a state-run organization, she looked as though she hadn't thought of that. Then she just said she was warning me.
I didn't think it would be an issue unless I have seedy types hanging around (I don't), sell it (I don't and never will), grow an outlandish amount ((I don't) or make a spectacle of my smoking (I don't). I keep a pretty low profile and only a few people know I smoke much less grow.
 

stumpjumper

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We had a legal patient in MI have CPS take his kid, he went through hell with CPS and court. He has to take mandatory drug screenings or they will take the kid out of the home again. There's an article in the Midwest Cultivator. The guy is Legal and straight as an arrow, just a corrupt system.. Legal don't matter, if you have kids it's a risk.
 

stumpjumper

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Here's the story

CANNABIS OR CUSTODY?

July 8, 2011 By Hayduke Leave a Comment
A Medical Marijuana Patient in Lansing Is Sentenced to Jail After
Failing to Comply With a Court Order to Not Use Marijuana As He Seeks
to Maintain Custody of His Daughter
In a case that could have implications for medical marijuana patients
who are parents, a Lansing man was sentenced Tuesday to three days in
county jail because he refuses to stop using medical marijuana and may
lose custody of his child because of it.
Livingston Thompson Jr., a state-registered medical marijuana patient
who suffers from epilepsy, has been fighting to maintain custody of
his 10-year-old daughter stemming from a November incident between the
father and daughter that attracted attention from Child Protective
Services.
After months in the Ingham Circuit Court family division system,
Thompson was ordered on June 8 by Judge Richard Garcia to stop using
marijuana as part of the conditions to maintain custody of his
daughter. But because Thompson tested positive twice for using
marijuana since June 8, Garcia sentenced Thompson to three days in
Ingham County Jail for “woeful contempt of court orders.”
Garcia refused to recognize Thompson’s right to use marijuana for
medical purposes Tuesday and said he “fraudulently” obtained his
state-issued card.
“You need marijuana because you’re addicted to it,” Garcia
said.
Garcia also chided Thompson, who is 32, Tuesday for appearing on
WILX-TV last week with his daughter to discuss his case.
“The best thing you can do is not throw her in front of you (on TV) so
you can smoke pot,” Garcia said. “(That) offends me.”
However, Thompson’s attorney, Matt Newburg, said he plans to appeal
the court order restricting Thompson from using marijuana “before
Friday,” the day Thompson is due in jail. Newburg said Thompson is
protected under the state Medical Marihuana Act to use cannabis for
medical reasons and should not have to risk losing custody because of
it.
“You couldn’t have a clearer conflict (of the Michigan Medical
Marihuana Act),” Newburg said. “Evidently he (Garcia) believes
everyone who gets licensed through the state (to use medical
marijuana) is a fraud.”
The state Medical Marihuana Act, approved by Michigan voters in 2008,
states: “A person shall not be denied custody or visitation of a minor
for acting in accordance with this act, unless the person’s behavior
is such that it creates an unreasonable danger to the minor that can
be clearly articulated and substantiated.”
During testimony Tuesday, Newburg asked Ingham County family court
case worker Wanda Kester, who is overseeing the case, if Thompson4s
daughter has been in any “unreasonable danger” that she could specify
for the court.
Kester did not mention specific incidents, but said: “I can say I have
concerns for (the daughter) in this house.”
“‘Concerns’ is not enough,” Newburg said outside of the courtroom in
an interview.
Newburg said this is the first case he’s aware of in mid-Michigan in
which a parent who is a medical marijuana patient could lose custody
of a child because of his medicine-of-choice. He said Garcia’s ruling
Tuesday could have implications for medical marijuana patients who are
parents.
“It’s clear what it means for parents in this county: It’s going to be
an uphill battle,” he said.
Garcia stated several times that Thompson’s case is not about his
medical marijuana card, but about if his daughter is safe in his
custody. During the 30-minute show cause hearing, Garcia went through
the child’s past. From 2001 to 2003, she was placed in foster care due
to “unsanitary home conditions” and domestic violence issues between
Thompson and his former wife. She was placed in foster care again
later that year due to a drug raid at Thompson’s home that turned up
cocaine and marijuana, though Thompson said no criminal charges were
filed. In 2006, Thompson confirmed that his home was red-tagged by the
city. Then in 2009, an infant child of Thompson’s “came back from
parent time and tested positive for marijuana,” Garcia said, which
Thompson confirmed.
“You can understand the court has concerns about the stability of your
household,” Garcia said.
Kester, the case worker, also was unable to locate Thompson’s
10-year-old daughter before Tuesday’s hearing because Thompson had
moved out of his downtown Lansing home over the weekend and into his
sister’s house with his daughter and his wife. Thompson said he was
unable to afford rent for the house on Allegan Street because of
“legal fees.”
While Garcia sentenced Thompson to three days and “more weekends” if
he continues to test positive for cannabis, he allowed him custody of
his daughter. But he ordered Kester to investigate the house where
Thompson’s daughter is staying after the hearing and if it is not
satisfactory, then the daughter would be placed in foster care.
Dan Korobkin, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union
of Michigan, said cases have popped up in California and Colorado that
deal with visitation issues.
He said the state Medical Marihuana Act “specifically speaks to
whether parents can be denied custody or visitation based on them
being a medical marijuana patient,” and that courts in other states
have ruled the same way.
However, the Associated Press reported last year of a Washington state
man who lost custody of his two pre-teen boys because his marijuana
grow operation was raided in 2007, even though criminal charges
against him were dropped because he’s a certified patient.
Korobkin said the ACLU of Michigan recently filed an appeal in Oakland
County that involves the denial of visitation rights because the
mother is a medical marijuana patient.
 

rbico

Active Member
thanks for the info, it helps to know.

My house is a super-boring suburban house like a million others. It is sanitary, well maintained I don't beat my wife or subject my daughter to anything but homework and I don't have anything but pot in my house (no cocaine) -- and very small quantities at that. I would say this case sounds like it is WAY more serious than the guy just smoking pot and there are no detail to the 2007 AP story but I would guess there's more to that than just one guy growing 6 plants for what it obviously himself (what I am doing).

Actually I just found the article and the guy lost custody to his ex-wife. Considering my wife is a major pothead, I am not worried.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_14d5b6e0-7d2f-11df-abfe-001cc4c002e0.html
 
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