Do these look OK for 3 weeks flower today?

Smithy1

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If the top of the medium is still damp its should be fine to flush however just ensure that the pots have good drainage.Flushing is almost flooding the pots with excessive water that carries no nutrients (ensure its PH'd water) till there is a lot of run off.I would definitely flush once then feed the plants plain water for a couple days then slowly introduce nutrients if the yellowing/browning of the fan leaves stops progressing.For flowering expect yellowing of the leaves because by the end of the phase most leaves will be yellow, regarding some of the bottom fan leaves that you explained to be browning and curling, this is most probably due to a lack of light reaching them and this is normal however it is nutrient burn in this case.

Hope this helps.
Sorry buddy I missed your post there, They should be fine reagarding drainage I mixed the medium up with perlite before I transplanted into bigger pots, I might be wrong but i think perlite helps drainage doesn't it? Yeah I've got a PH tester so I'll give them a litre or 2 off water for 4 days then start them on half the strength feed I was giving them, I was just a little worried that I might overload the plants with water and screw them up a bit more, Cheers for your advice.
 

JAMO_Grow

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Yes perlite does help with drainage, you will be fine.
Just enjoy the grow, those plants will turn out fine
Happy growing.
 

turbobuzz

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Lights off right now, but back on in a little while and I'll post a couple. Yes, I changed to bloom nutes. I've always used fox farm, so I keep using them because I'm comfortable with them. There's a shitload of choices though.
 

Smithy1

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Lights off right now, but back on in a little while and I'll post a couple. Yes, I changed to bloom nutes. I've always used fox farm, so I keep using them because I'm comfortable with them. There's a shitload of choices though.
Cheers buddy I look forward to seeing them, Mine go off At 12 in about 45 minutes time (U.K)
 

Flowki

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You can use cana A+B all the way start to finish with no need to change ratio. However you have made some potential mistakes.

Are you sure your cana a+b is not for coco? it automatically adjusts ph to below 6. If so that's not a good mix for organic soil.

When you feed every 3 to 4 days make sure you feed with plenty of run off. You are not fully organic so you must get good run off in order to wash out access, this I think is where your problems are if I had to bet on one thing. The soil I read up on lasts 5 weeks but as you've been adding synthetic it's anybody's guess how much is still left, this is why organic soil+synthetic is so difficult to do and it's not that effective anyway. You'll have to guess the strength on your own but accept that you won't be yielding as much as you should due to the nutrient uncertainty.

On your next run use coco and cana coco a+b. It is at-least 2x as good as what you are doing now because you can water it at-least twice as much (every other day). In turn you will push for double the yield with the right techniques because it's also so much easier to get right over part organic soil + synthetic combo. Nothing wrong with growing organically but it's a very deep pool to get into for growing in pots.

If you use coco on the next run send me a pm before hand if you want some ideas on adding an organic/microbial element to growing in coco. I do highly recommend you stick with cana a+b for now, it's very simple to use yet does the same job as powder nutes. Catch is a+b is not near as cheap but you won't thank me for the head ache of getting use to powder nutes on your second run.
 
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Smithy1

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You can use cana A+B all the way start to finish with no need to change ratio. However you have made some potential mistakes.

Are you sure your cana a+b is not for coco? it automatically adjusts ph to below 6. If so that's not a good mix for organic soil.

When you feed every 3 to 4 days make sure you feed with plenty of run off. You are not fully organic so you must get good run off in order to wash out access, this I think is where your problems are if I had to bet on one thing. The soil I read up on lasts 5 weeks but as you've been adding synthetic it's anybody's guess how much is still left, this is why organic soil+synthetic is so difficult to do and it's not that effective anyway. You'll have to guess the strength on your own but accept that you won't be yielding as much as you should due to the nutrient uncertainty.

On your next run use coco and cana coco a+b. It is at-least 2x as good as what you are doing now because you can water it at-least twice as much (every other day). In turn you will push for double the yield with the right techniques because it's also so much easier to get right over part organic soil + synthetic combo. Nothing wrong with growing organically but it's a very deep pool to get into for growing in pots.

If you use coco on the next run send me a pm before hand if you want some ideas on adding an organic/microbial element to growing in coco. I do highly recommend you stick with cana a+b for now, it's very simple to use yet does the same job as powder nutes. Catch is a+b is not near as cheap but you won't thank me for the head ache of getting use to powder nutes on your second run.

I thought you could use it all all the way through without no bloom nutes I have a few friends that do it, I'll be using some bloom nutes on my next grow though when these ones are done specially if it helps with overall yield, To be fair this was just a test run to see what I can and can't Get away with how to use nutes etc Camna A+B is meant to be used with coco coir but I have read many off people that use it with just there ordinary Multi purpose Soil from there gardening centre, But I will 100% be using the Coco Coir in my next grow I was just a little put off by the £20 odd pound price off it but I suppose you pay the price for the quality off it and the quality off your grows, Yeah thanks I will PM you when I get everything sorted for my next grow it will be around about 6 weeks time, These have another 5 weeks left to run so I'll cut them down dry and cure them then get ready for my next grow I already have feminized seeds i bought off Royal queen, I'll send you pics off the final results off when they are done to see what you think off them, Cheers for the advice, Much appreciated.
 

Smithy1

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Lights on now. Here's mine at 2 weeks of 12/12. Not the greatest pics, but here you go.
Look lovely them buddy, Judging by the colour of the lights you are using LED's? Correct me if I'm wrong, Mine are at 3 weeks 2 days ago so there 3 weeks and 2 days off 12/12 they look around further than mine do and mine are a week longer than yours lol, Nice plants matey!
 

Flowki

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I thought you could use it all all the way through without no bloom nutes I have a few friends that do it, I'll be using some bloom nutes on my next grow though when these ones are done specially if it helps with overall yield, To be fair this was just a test run to see what I can and can't Get away with how to use nutes etc Camna A+B is meant to be used with coco coir but I have read many off people that use it with just there ordinary Multi purpose Soil from there gardening centre, But I will 100% be using the Coco Coir in my next grow I was just a little put off by the £20 odd pound price off it but I suppose you pay the price for the quality off it and the quality off your grows, Yeah thanks I will PM you when I get everything sorted for my next grow it will be around about 6 weeks time, These have another 5 weeks left to run so I'll cut them down dry and cure them then get ready for my next grow I already have feminized seeds i bought off Royal queen, I'll send you pics off the final results off when they are done to see what you think off them, Cheers for the advice, Much appreciated.
Cana has a sufficient amount of P already in it so be very careful adding more. I would not advise you to use any booster other than a very small amount of pk type since you genuinely run the risk of P toxicity with other snake oil shit. If I was totally honest, you'd be using such a small amount of pk it would barely be worth it. I put a friend with sub par growing skills on a+b alone and he got 20 that round from 600hps, his previous best was 12. The other additions where using coco and topping properly with 4 plants instead of 8 plants left alone. Cana A+B is a solid bench mark line, it will be the other things like growing style and climate that will give you better yield, not a P booster. You can add organic microbial additives that will increase P more safely on top of bringing other benefits. They do bring issues like fungus gnats but they can be dealt with.

Not trying to put you off boosters but it's a long held myth around such forums that you need a lot of P, you really don't. The microbes involved in increasing P up take will shut off above 80ppm P or so, as an indication to what the plants actually need. If you follow what some of these sites suggest you'll be adding 100+ ppm of P. No need for that at all, it will either give P toxicity, create other lock outs or you will be washing the P out to waste (flush pun).

I look forward to the pics.
 
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Aladdin.khalifa

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Top stuff cheers mate, It's my first shot at growing so I'm an little impatient lol It was 3 weeks into flower yesterday so hopefully knee some bud production in the next 2-3 weeks I'm going to chop around week 9 it's a 9 week flower plant it's northern lights, Yeah I noticed the stretch the first 2 weeks when I flipped to 12/12 it was outstanding it really did grow lol
No worries mate,

They may be ready around week 9 but there is no way to know for sure. The flowering time mentioned by breeders is only approximate, it's not always accurate. Look at the trichomes to know when to chop.

Apart from that, I'm pretty sure bud production is going to take off soon :wink:
 

turbobuzz

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Look lovely them buddy, Judging by the colour of the lights you are using LED's? Correct me if I'm wrong, Mine are at 3 weeks 2 days ago so there 3 weeks and 2 days off 12/12 they look around further than mine do and mine are a week longer than yours lol, Nice plants matey!
I use a combo of t5 and led. Seems to work ok for me. Thanks. My stretch should be about done, so on to the flowers now.
 

Smithy1

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Cana has a sufficient amount of P already in it so be very careful adding more. I would not advise you to use any booster other than a very small amount of pk type since you genuinely run the risk of P toxicity with other snake oil shit. If I was totally honest, you'd be using such a small amount of pk it would barely be worth it. I put a friend with sub par growing skills on a+b alone and he got 20 that round from 600hps, his previous best was 12. The other additions where using coco and topping properly with 4 plants instead of 8 plants left alone. Cana A+B is a solid bench mark line, it will be the other things like growing style and climate that will give you better yield, not a P booster. You can add organic microbial additives that will increase P more safely on top of bringing other benefits. They do bring issues like fungus gnats but they can be dealt with.

Not trying to put you off boosters but it's a long held myth around such forums that you need a lot of P, you really don't. The microbes involved in increasing P up take will shut off above 80ppm P or so, as an indication to what the plants actually need. If you follow what some of these sites suggest you'll be adding 100+ ppm of P. No need for that at all, it will either give P toxicity, create other lock outs or you will be washing the P out to waste (flush pun).

I look forward to the pics.
No problem I will be carefull, You mentioned topping there I have topped every single one off my plants I have under my 600hps I have 4 and each one has been topped plus the ones outside have been topped to, I read that when you top a plant it increases your girls yield is this true? The plant normally grows one main cola but with topping am I correct in saying it grows 2 main colas? Ive topped my other ones outside 2-3 times I think, They where just a experiment to be honest to see what I can do to my indoors ones, They are flourishing in the U.K weather! Even though the sun has been hiding the last week or so, Nah I know you are not trying to put me off boosters I appreciate every little bit off advice you give me along with other people, When I first germinted the seeds I was thinking Mann this is going to be tough but I think I over complicated things and look into things to much rather than just feed them and let them do there thing, Ohh yeah and the "Stretch" My word they must of nearly doubled in size over a weeks period i had to Ajust things in my grown room I wasn't expecting them to grow so much the first week off flipping, Also I've read about when you feed you plants nutes don't give them the full dose always "Half" the dose you give them. So what nutes do you use if you don't mind me asking do you just use veg nutes all the way through without no bloom nutes? No problem I'll send you a PM with the pics when they are done.
 

Smithy1

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I use a combo of t5 and led. Seems to work ok for me. Thanks. My stretch should be about done, so on to the flowers now.
Yeah I thought you use LED's by the pic do you find that LED's are better than HPS lights? I got recommended HPS lights by my friend so I went and bought one lol
 

Smithy1

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No worries mate,

They may be ready around week 9 but there is no way to know for sure. The flowering time mentioned by breeders is only approximate, it's not always accurate. Look at the trichomes to know when to chop.

Apart from that, I'm pretty sure bud production is going to take off soon :wink:
Top stuff! I can't wait until week 9 comes so I can see if they need to be chopped or not!:) I can't wait until the next 2 weeks to be honest to see the buds fatten up at least I've I won't make the same mistakes in my second grow after all they do say your first grow is a learning curve, I've read you have to chop them when the hairs start to become orangey/browny colour instead off white? Also I've heard a lot about the trichome's on a plant I don't want to come across as dumb but what are they? Is it the pistols?
 

tyke1973

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It could be because I'm assuming your using bloom nutes? I got told I could use Canna A+B all the way through my grow I got recommend it by a friend who has grown for years so I never really put much thought into buying any bloom nutes i wish I did now to be honest from reading about the results people have from them, Thanks for your tips I'll take them on board have you got any pics off your grow so I can have a look if you don't mind just to compare my bud sites to yours, Also what are you growing?
You can,canna a/b but just add PK spike at week 2. Flower and week 5
 

turbobuzz

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Yeah I thought you use LED's by the pic do you find that LED's are better than HPS lights? I got recommended HPS lights by my friend so I went and bought one lol
I don't know that you can completely replace HPS, but it's not an option for me due to heat. And electricity. I do quite well with this set up. Good enough for me.
 

Aladdin.khalifa

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Top stuff! I can't wait until week 9 comes so I can see if they need to be chopped or not!:) I can't wait until the next 2 weeks to be honest to see the buds fatten up at least I've I won't make the same mistakes in my second grow after all they do say your first grow is a learning curve, I've read you have to chop them when the hairs start to become orangey/browny colour instead off white? Also I've heard a lot about the trichome's on a plant I don't want to come across as dumb but what are they? Is it the pistols?
The hair can turn brown/orange for many reasons, not only when the plant is ripe. The trichomes are the resin glands. Use a microscope to look at them. When most of them are cloudy and some amber, it's time to chop!
 

Ohcrapimdying

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Signs of THC degrading is the trichomes turning cloudy or amber, so technically the plant is ready to chop down when the trichomes start sweeping up like a mushroom and start turning cloudy.

Get a handheld microscope that can see at least 60x-100x.
 
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