DO I GET MORE YEILD IF I DON'T TOP??

rickymac21

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It is an interesting subject, simply because vertical growing completely changes the way the plant grows. As someone said, the whole plant becomes the canopy.
I was kind of curious myself. Here's a scenario, try to stick with me.
1. Horizontal grow, 5x5 room, 1000w, with 9 plants vegged for X amount of time. No training, just little christmas trees.
2. Vertical grow, 5x5 or 6x6, 1000w, 9 plants vegged for same amount of time, no training as well.
In my mind the vertical method in this scenario will always yield more due to even light distribution to each plant. No plant is further away from the light source than the other, and the entire length/height of the plant recieves light. As opposed to horizontal where the plants on the outer edge of the room recieve much less of the light. Also the canopy itself diminishes the light to most lower buds, hence the need for training.
I do see some people argue that with horizontal lights and reflector, the reflector concentrates more to a single area allowing for stronger canopy penetration. But its not as if it creates any more light/lumens than the light already emits. So how is this in any way more effective than vertical?
I guess my point is, vertical growing is ideal regardless of training method. I have only tried vert once but it was half assed with plants that were on their death bed due to a nasty fungus gnat infestation. But i will be trying this soon.
8 ladies, 1000w vert, topped MAYBE once just to limit stretch. Finish at 4 ft tall from the top of pot. I dont see why that wouldnt produce impressive yields for a hobbiest grower.
 

MrMeanGreen

Active Member
It is an interesting subject, simply because vertical growing completely changes the way the plant grows. As someone said, the whole plant becomes the canopy.
I was kind of curious myself. Here's a scenario, try to stick with me.
1. Horizontal grow, 5x5 room, 1000w, with 9 plants vegged for X amount of time. No training, just little christmas trees.
2. Vertical grow, 5x5 or 6x6, 1000w, 9 plants vegged for same amount of time, no training as well.
In my mind the vertical method in this scenario will always yield more due to even light distribution to each plant. No plant is further away from the light source than the other, and the entire length/height of the plant recieves light. As opposed to horizontal where the plants on the outer edge of the room recieve much less of the light. Also the canopy itself diminishes the light to most lower buds, hence the need for training.
I do see some people argue that with horizontal lights and reflector, the reflector concentrates more to a single area allowing for stronger canopy penetration. But its not as if it creates any more light/lumens than the light already emits. So how is this in any way more effective than vertical?
I guess my point is, vertical growing is ideal regardless of training method. I have only tried vert once but it was half assed with plants that were on their death bed due to a nasty fungus gnat infestation. But i will be trying this soon.
8 ladies, 1000w vert, topped MAYBE once just to limit stretch. Finish at 4 ft tall from the top of pot. I dont see why that wouldnt produce impressive yields for a hobbiest grower.
Don't top em for height reasons, I find that they only stretch about half again. Any upward stretch is switched to horizontal, chasing the vertical light which you control with nets or cages. I am considering topping next time round because I am finding that my top light (I have 3 stacked 600s) isn't being used to the max, it is really only serving the top colas. Don't get me wrong, top colas love it but a but of a waste light. So i am cosidering topping to get more out of the light.
 

JointOperation

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loving the vert mover.. i converted my lightrail 3.5 into a vert mover for 2 bulbs one on each side.. works lovely.. when i reset up my indoor room im a set it up again..

but as of now. my indoors is partnered up with a few patients as i lost my grow spot due to a family issue.

and for vert.. growing.. i top the shit out of my plants very early.. or even before i take clones.. like top the branches u want clones from by taking clones off the tops.. and then take another clone that will have 2 heads off the bat..

keep topping until you have a bunch of heads.. then allow to grow straight up and fill your room.

unless you plan on using a ton of plants.. then dont top..


but for horizontal growing.. i bend the entire big stem all the way over till it almost breaks.. and then EVERYTHING grows up straight.. giving me an entire plant of tops.. keeping my canopy really low to the ground.. works amazing i have nice tops from top to bottom.. ever single branch i leave on them is a great big bud less larf..

i do both.. depeding on strain. i top and bend the entire stem lol . ill take some pictures and post later on.. i gotta head over there later to do some work . and chop the harvest down.
 

Cannasutraorganics

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I don't even use stakes in most of my plants. Don't train. Top main shaft once. Lollipop all to the top 20 inches and veg back a week then flip.
Stretch is only 3 to 12 inches on 4 foot tall plants. My pots take care of that too. They are only 16 to 20 inches across. All going straight up towards the light.
 

m4s73r

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Intersting. I dont top personally. However I did do a run where i topped the side branches on the lights side. I found that i just had more tops. Didnt do much for final yeild. I dont top anymore. Just let them grow.
 

daybreaker

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I don't even use stakes in most of my plants. Don't train. Top main shaft once. Lollipop all to the top 20 inches and veg back a week then flip.
Stretch is only 3 to 12 inches on 4 foot tall plants. My pots take care of that too. They are only 16 to 20 inches across. All going straight up towards the light.
I just got into this main top cut...not only do you get the best clone for the next round,but it seems to create the canopy with ease without all the bending because you open that middle space by cutting the top out.Its really quite an easy yet genius way to go.kudos!!!
 

Cannasutraorganics

Well-Known Member
It is an interesting subject, simply because vertical growing completely changes the way the plant grows. As someone said, the whole plant becomes the canopy.
I was kind of curious myself. Here's a scenario, try to stick with me.
1. Horizontal grow, 5x5 room, 1000w, with 9 plants vegged for X amount of time. No training, just little christmas trees.
2. Vertical grow, 5x5 or 6x6, 1000w, 9 plants vegged for same amount of time, no training as well.
In my mind the vertical method in this scenario will always yield more due to even light distribution to each plant. No plant is further away from the light source than the other, and the entire length/height of the plant recieves light. As opposed to horizontal where the plants on the outer edge of the room recieve much less of the light. Also the canopy itself diminishes the light to most lower buds, hence the need for training.
I do see some people argue that with horizontal lights and reflector, the reflector concentrates more to a single area allowing for stronger canopy penetration. But its not as if it creates any more light/lumens than the light already emits. So how is this in any way more effective than vertical?
I guess my point is, vertical growing is ideal regardless of training method. I have only tried vert once but it was half assed with plants that were on their death bed due to a nasty fungus gnat infestation. But i will be trying this soon.
8 ladies, 1000w vert, topped MAYBE once just to limit stretch. Finish at 4 ft tall from the top of pot. I dont see why that wouldnt produce impressive yields for a hobbiest grower.
How big of pots?
 

m4s73r

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I should mention i defoliate. Thats how i control stretch. Once my plants get to the height desired, i pluck every single fan leaf that has a stem longer then 1 inch or isnt connected to a new growing node. Got a sativa that is getting out of control? Defoliate and stop all stretch. I then cut all branches that are on the back side of the plant. Then i keep all fan leaves off of it or make sure that no budsite has shade.
 

polyarcturus

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I should mention i defoliate. Thats how i control stretch. Once my plants get to the height desired, i pluck every single fan leaf that has a stem longer then 1 inch or isnt connected to a new growing node. Got a sativa that is getting out of control? Defoliate and stop all stretch. I then cut all branches that are on the back side of the plant. Then i keep all fan leaves off of it or make sure that no budsite has shade.
Shocks them? I might have to try this, like add an extra week to veg after plucking then throw them into flower.
 
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