dmt

I'm with sonar - extract it yourself, DMT comes in all sorts of plants from grasses to trees, learn the essentials and lay in some chemicals (and buy some REAL glass for your effort) and you will have more than you will ever want or need. DMT isn't much of a party drug.
 
canndo said:
DMT isn't much of a party drug.
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Right on. I'm not a spiritual person or have any kind of superstitious or "magical" thinking. I don't feel like lsd "lsd enhances your life force" or mushrooms "bring you closer to God" or anything like that. I've been an atheist for close to 20 years. They are all just chemicals to me that temporarily change our brains. DMT is different though, I dunno. There is something about it that separates it from all of the other drugs I've ever done. It's not something to be taken lightly.
 
sonar said:
Right on. I'm not a spiritual person or have any kind of superstitious or "magical" thinking. I don't feel like lsd "lsd enhances your life force" or mushrooms "bring you closer to God" or anything like that. I've been an atheist for close to 20 years. They are all just chemicals to me that temporarily change our brains. DMT is different though, I dunno. There is something about it that separates it from all of the other drugs I've ever done. It's not something to be taken lightly.
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Nor am I, but continued use of the more powerful items do tend to give one a sense that the unknown involves the spiritual and that science will never get us to an understanding of certain realms. There is nothing wrong with instilling in a person:

1. The notion that other's perceptions are as valid as one's own
2. Life, and particularly sentient life is sacred - I have learned that animals do indeed have what could be called a soul
3. Nothing is as it appears
4. The battle for your mind by government and industry is real and I have found that the use of some of these chemicals tends to armor one against intrusion by PR, marketing and advertising. I suspect that those who use the hallucinogens with an eye toward growth buy less processed foods, purchase items based upon their true needs and wants and are less swayed by indoctrination of all sorts.
5. Many people find themselves less troubled by the opinions of others and far more tolerant of the behavior of others.
6. Some even manage to find purpose, find the answers to their own dilemas and demons and, they may even tend to love better


I don't know if this is religion but I do feel that it is a certain enlightenment - chemical based or not.


EVERYTHING novel changes our brains and change is what tells us that we are not yet dead.



I will have to say however that it is not all roses. I was certain that a good dose or two of LSD,properly administered and carefully monitored given to my first wife would tend to ease her great psycic pain making it easier for her to live with herself and perhaps easier for ME to live with her.

It didn't work. Hell, I gave her her first (and only) dose of MDMA thinking that it would improve our relationship as it had in my previous relationships - we wound up getting in a fight over the U.S. relationship with South Africa during Apartheid. imagine THAT while under the influence of 110 mg of x.[h=1][/h]
 
canndo said:
4. The battle for your mind by government and industry is real and I have found that the use of some of these chemicals tends to armor one against intrusion by PR, marketing and advertising. I suspect that those who use the hallucinogens with an eye toward growth buy less processed foods, purchase items based upon their true needs and wants and are less swayed by indoctrination of all sorts.
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I tend to agree with all 6 of those and going to save them for future reflection, but #4 really struck a cord with me. I think that is one of the reasons I have trouble "fitting in" at anything more than a superficial level in mainstream society. People just don't fucking get it and it drives me nuts. Even some of the extremely intelligent people think I have a collection of tin foil hats in my closet when I bring #4 up. Things like iphones both figuratively and literally keep peoples' head's down to the truth. "Man behind the curtain? Ignore the man behind the curtain. Here's Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Facebook, Monday Night Football, American Idol, and 50 other channels of trash tv. Pay attention to that instead. That is the stuff that is imprtant. Debt? Don't worry about debt, you NEED this junk from China produced by child and borderline slave labor. Real happiness comes from owning crap you don't need you bought with money you don't have. Consuming in your civic duty."

They can all kiss my ass. The American people becoming fat, stupid, and lazy is the best thing that ever happened to these assholes. I truly believe that is one of the reasons alcohol is legal. Helps make people fat, stupid and lazy. Things like pot and psychedelics only cause one of the three, at best. And even then it is only with chronic misuse.
 
Sonar,I was formulating what you said as I read #4,and scrolled down..couldn't have put it better..canndo,I've dosed with my wife 3 times but she still doesn't "get it" the "falsehood of society" sonar speaks of.she follows what whoever in hollywood is doing instead of a persuing a whole life in general..but I love her still..we ate X once but it was a lower dose and she wasn't impressed..id still like to get her to trip again..and think of this same situation(lack of realization' when I see some kid walk out a door and let it swing shut in an elderly womans face..I feel psychedlics make a person/user kinder..at least to a certain degree..I think if everyone had a really strong trip,the world would improve ten fold...now to get my wife to hit some dmt so I can her to stop watching t.v...lol
 
Mind you I am not saying that these experiences will "stop" people from watching TV or purchasing things they are told they need, but they will be more likely to do so as folly, as joke, knowing that they are being indoctrinated and watching the show as camp, kitch, "I know I am supposed to be watching this" sort of thing.


Toddlers in Tiaras - I watch it on occasion, I caught my first Kardashian show (never again). The point is that those who use certain substances can empathize with others but they need not live vicariously through them.


And I rarely buy anything that I am told to buy, not because I am rebelling but because the advertisements wash off of me and I atribute that to chemicals. And I think madison avenue knows this.
 
rory420420 said:
Sonar,I was formulating what you said as I read #4,and scrolled down..couldn't have put it better..canndo,I've dosed with my wife 3 times but she still doesn't "get it" the "falsehood of society" sonar speaks of.she follows what whoever in hollywood is doing instead of a persuing a whole life in general..but I love her still..we ate X once but it was a lower dose and she wasn't impressed..id still like to get her to trip again..and think of this same situation(lack of realization' when I see some kid walk out a door and let it swing shut in an elderly womans face..I feel psychedlics make a person/user kinder..at least to a certain degree..I think if everyone had a really strong trip,the world would improve ten fold...now to get my wife to hit some dmt so I can her to stop watching t.v...lol
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My second wife got it the very first time we took a large dose of mushrooms and traveled through a forest up into the mountains. Bark beetles had killed every second tree for miles and miles and miles.


She said "look at all the dead trees in that population, and how green the ones are that are alive, I travel in that forest but the trees are people and most of them are dead.

She has never ever been the same toward others or toward me.
 
I feel that eyes opened,people wouldn't focus on things that don't need focus..like those types of shows...'oh boo hoo,I'm too rich and wealthy and have everything and people envy me..'thats the jists of those shows but people who have little to hope for watch them to forget about their lives,when in fact their lives are profoundly more interesting and fufilling,they just don't see it as so..till they get spun out and realize things like this...
 
And just using t.v. as an example..there's hundreds of others...ever see the lady mention how sad it is for the children in other countrys and then hop into a mercedes to go get a 200$ hair job?...
 
rory420420 said:
I feel that eyes opened,people wouldn't focus on things that don't need focus..like those types of shows...'oh boo hoo,I'm too rich and wealthy and have everything and people envy me..'thats the jists of those shows but people who have little to hope for watch them to forget about their lives,when in fact their lives are profoundly more interesting and fufilling,they just don't see it as so..till they get spun out and realize things like this...
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Don't you wish you just took the blue pill sometimes? :)
 
Believe it or not you can get a shit load of the monosis root bark or whatever the hell it's called off Amazon. Friend made his own that way.
 
Mimosa. It is getting harder and harder to find. I fear in the not to distant future it will be gone. :(
 
Fortunately DMT is very common in the plant kingdom :)
I highly reccomend Plants of the Gods to anyone interested in sacred plants.
 
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