Dip'n Grow Rotting Hormone....?

northerntights · Apr 28, 2007

Ok so I have been doing some research into root hormones trying to find something that will root even those tricky bastards... I came up with Dip'n Grow. Now here is my question, according to the site it is for ornamentals only... does that mean it will contaminate the plant with a toxin? Just wondering because it looks like an interesting product.

Rooting Gels, Powders, Hormones and Agents at Home Harvest Garden Supply

green_nobody · Apr 28, 2007

ornamental cover pretty much everything people grow for fun, and stretches from agriculture to veggies. guess that includes weed too

and by the way, its a bit tough to poison weed with stuff that is for more delicate plant such as orchids :lol:

green_nobody · Apr 28, 2007

best you can do is to try it, but never take the fact of your mind that this is sales talk and a salesman will always brag a lot about its great product

northerntights · Apr 28, 2007

Oh I know that! Sooo much bullshit on so many products, still, the alcohol base of the rooting liquid would be able to penetrate deeply into a cutting very quickly (it has been used for that in horticultural studied for years for that purpose)

mogie · Apr 28, 2007

It will work just fine. It's main advantage is that it's more effective for hardwood cuttings than powders because its liquid form allows it to be absorbed more readily.

green_nobody · Apr 28, 2007

it sound powerful at least, with all that warnings on it... :lol:

green_nobody · Apr 28, 2007

yeah, i guess so mogie

Al B. Fuct · Apr 28, 2007

Almost all rooting powders and gels contain a small amount of butyric acid. You can see a material safety data sheet (MSDS) on butyric acid here. Here's some more info on rooting powders and gels containing butyric acid.

Notable quote:

III. ASSESSING RISKS TO HUMAN HEALTH

With the exception of certain workers, no harm is expected from use of indole-3-butyric acid. The active ingredient is not toxic to humans or other mammals. Furthermore, indole-3-butyric acid is effective at very low concentrations--often several orders of magnitude below 1%. It is applied at very low rates compared with most other pesticides. In animals, indole-3-butyric acid is rapidly broken down to a closely related, harmless chemical that occurs naturally in living organisms.

Eye irritation to certain workers is EPA' s only health concern for products containing indole-3-butyric acid. For products that may cause eye irritation, workers (such as mixers and applicators) are required to use protective eyewear, such as goggles, face shield, or safety glasses.

It's kinda interesting that the EPA classes butyric acid as a pesticide. The only way you'd kill anything with it is to drop a bottle of it on a bug.

The "LD50" (lethal dose in 50% of cases) figures vary depending on the route of human exposure. However, these are in the area of 3.5g (3500mg) per kg of human body weight. You'd have to eat or breathe several jars or packets of gel or powder to even come close to hurting yourself.

Butyric acid comprises only a very tiny portion of rooting gels and powders, on the order of 8mg (0.008 grams)/kg of rooting powder or gel. The TINY amount of butyric acid employed to help the plant set root (and plants WILL root without the stuff, it just speeds things up a bit) will almost certainly never show up in your buds.

Al B. Fuct · Apr 28, 2007

Incidentally, I prefer rooting powders to gels for a couple of reasons.

Powders form a paste which stays put on cuttings through several waterings. Powders, being dry, also can not support pathogen growth. You can dip dry-ish stems into rooting powders and then store the remainder for the next batch of cuttings.

If you use gels, you must put a small amt of the gel in a little container for dipping and then discard any excess. Mould and fungus spores on the stems could possibly colonise the wet rooting gel if used gel were stored. Even opening the gel container admits a few pathogen spores. Gels should be stored in the fridge once opened.

northerntights · Apr 28, 2007

yeh I just got some rooting powder, Rootone F brand, it's been around for a long while so it should work well, I just wanted to examine other options, clonex gel certainly didn't do shit for me.

green_nobody · Apr 28, 2007

Al B. Fuct said:
Incidentally, I prefer rooting powders to gels for a couple of reasons.

Powders form a paste which stays put on cuttings through several waterings. Powders, being dry, also can not support pathogen growth. You can dip dry-ish stems into rooting powders and then store the remainder for the next batch of cuttings.

If you use gels, you must put a small amt of the gel in a little container for dipping and then discard any excess. Mould and fungus spores on the stems could possibly colonise the wet rooting gel if used gel were stored. Even opening the gel container admits a few pathogen spores. Gels should be stored in the fridge once opened.

that is a true reasoning against gels, and why i use powder too, had a bottle of clonex mold away on me once

Al B. Fuct · Apr 28, 2007

yeh I just got some rooting powder, Rootone F brand, it's been around for a long while so it should work well, I just wanted to examine other options, clonex gel certainly didn't do shit for me.

I'd sooner blame environmental conditions, notably excessive watering, for slow rooting before I'd blame the Clonex gel. The stuff does work; I've used it before. I just find that the powders are more reliable- I'm only presuming that this is because the stuff stays put longer.

cali-high · Apr 28, 2007

gel all the way if u dont like gel you method of applying must be out of date

green_nobody · Apr 28, 2007

cali-high said:
gel all the way if u dont like gel you method of applying must be out of date

hey cali, sure gels are fine as long they stay clean and sure they work, i know that one

but everyone has its own favourite and me using powder cloning agents for the last few month now, would say powder is my way right now.

if gel is yours, go with it for sure

peace

ViRedd · Apr 28, 2007

I stopped using gels for the reasons sited above. Rootone powder is my brand of choice.

Vi

cali-high · Apr 28, 2007

i tried powder didnt work. with no results except for death!

clonex gel is my favorite rooting hormone right now it dosnt mean ill stay with it. its just means thats whats working for me

green_nobody · Apr 28, 2007

sad to hear of you misfortune cali... but glad that gel solved your needs

Al B. Fuct · Apr 28, 2007

cali-high said:
gel all the way if u dont like gel you method of applying must be out of date

Really? I suppose there's some 'modern' way of dipping a stem into a rooting aid that we are not aware of- but of course, you can be assured we're all open to suggestions. :lol:

northerntights · Apr 28, 2007

THe rooting powders have the other advantage in that when you cutting is placed into the growing medium the powder itself can act as an abrasive substance allowing the hormone to more easily enter the stem. So it might help to rub the powder on the stem with some preassure from your fingers, the cuts would be microscopic in size but might help rooting, I will be trying that after I re-veg my current plants.

P.S. I can't believe I misspelled the tittle of the thread, rotting hormone? lol

Al B. Fuct · Apr 28, 2007

northerntights said:
the cuts would be microscopic in size but might help rooting, I will be trying that after I re-veg my current plants.

I've also used some techniques based on the notion that damaging some cells in the stem material in the cut area encourages rooting. I've tried putting a few scrapes on the stem with the back of the scalpel and I've also split the end of the angle cut. I've not done a particularly scientific evaluation of these techniques against just plain angle cutting stems, but anecdotally, I don't find much difference between them.

P.S. I can't believe I misspelled the tittle of the thread, rotting hormone? lol

Shit happens. Blame the drugs.

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