CWE experienced members?

FuckJeffGoldbloom

FuckJeffGoldbloom

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Hello all, hope everyone is doing well.

Currently i have the 7.5/750 vicodins, yes the evil ones with 750 APAP in them, but as i hear the last of them after this months refill, as the laws change, the APAP wont contain the huge 750mg anymore...

ANYWAY, I take 1 every four hours, sometimes a pill and a half at once, sometimes i take one pill, then another an hour or two later to space out the acetaminophen, im always worried about the liver damage and become paranoid about it as i guess i should be. I know people take much more APAP in sittings but i am not looking to even do that if there is no need, or a method like CWE. Pain relief is not working as long as one or two pills used to, obviously, so i am looking into doing a CWE.

I know that an amount of hydrocodone will be lost in the process but my question is how much?

I am looking to do maybe 3 pills the first time and see how that works out...would this be like taking the full 22.5 mg, how much more or less in your opinion?

Please no comments on "walk away, stop right now! your harming yourself, stick to herb" etc... this is my question to those who have answers, thank you all very much for being professional

How much water would you recommend using, i know the taste is very bitter so if i could use less water, i figure that would be less to suffer through when im drinking it...

Thank you people enjoy your day

FJG
 
I do cwe when I need a large dose and don't want to deal with the APAP. I generally do two pulls. Make sure your are seeing the fall out of APAP and seed the second pull. it may not be necessary but I find it to be useful. If you are not seeing the fall out, let it sit longer. agitate the solution to prevent it from freezing over.

If it's bitter, it's good. It does seem to take a while to pull it out, perhaps Mr duck has a solution.
 
I would say just take the 3 pills at once man. I wouldn't even do a cwe. Are you on these things for life? All the time? The amount your talking really isn't much to be worried about, unless you've already been doing this for years and years, and will be for years to continue. Everyone's liver is different as well I suppose.... but for 3 pills I wouldn't be doing a CWE.
 
If they were 325mg apap i would feel fine but the 3 750mg is just too much at once i want in my liver. Also i have prostate issues, where it flairs up time to time and i'd like to limit the APAP for that reason also...my stomach dont take well to the APAP, if it was a total of 1000mg of APAP for 3 pills then i could hang, but 750 x 3 is what, 2250mg of apap, my tummy doesn't agree with that...

What if i did a CWE with 10 or 15 of the pills and just dosed of liquid of 15-25mg of hydro? is that hard to work out?


Thanks for the replies !
 
Skuxx said:
Are you on these things for life? All the time? .
Click to expand...

The past 2 months for back issues i been taking 1-3 a day of them, and have surgeries upcoming so pain management will be a part of my life for a little while, for that time i want to limit the APAP, i hear to many bad things about it...
 
It wont last forever. I also would not go that route and just eat them... Making sure to drink a TON of water.

I know you said the weed is not cutting it... but.. have you tried making a small batch RSO from Bud? I have a high tolerance because I use MMJ vs narcotics for my back pain. about .33 rso can make me feel like a young guy again... too much more and I can get wobbly kneed...LOL Just throwing that out there...

I have seen a lot of "Bad" come from too much opiates.. Cortisone is so much better relief.. too bad its super short term.. :(

Wish you luck with the back and pain, I know how it goes.
 
I will have to look up RSO and make a small batch when i have the time, i have made and wasted/half-wasted so much flowers on making edibles, my tolerance to edibles seems to be much higher than normal. I smoke about a half ounce to sometimes 20 grams a week, vaporizing has brought that down a bit, but i notice it climbing again. Could you explain or direct me in a good direction for info on RSO?

Appreciate the kind words

Thanks
 
No problem dude. I have had multiple fractures and compressions in my back. I know pain. I stopped using narcotics years ago and turned to herb. I have found that REALLY strong edibles are great and that's how I make them. Most people end up drooling on the stuff I make. RSO is like a step up from that dude..>LOL

Its pretty simple. I will be doing a batch soon myself.

-Take an ounce of mixed herb preferably between 3-5 different strains.
-put in a coverd baking tray with oven preheated to 225f and cook for 20 min.
-Turn off oven and let the tray and weed cool in the oven.
-Put your decarbed bud in a jar and in the freezer.
-Freeze enough 99% or 91% alcohol to cover your ounce of bud
-wait 24hrs for it all to get super cold
-do a 2minute extraction QWISO kinda.
-put the bud in a sandwich baggy with a corner torn off
-Squeeze infused alcohol from bag through a reusable plastic coffee filter
-pour on to an evap plate
-I put mine on a heat pad on high with a fan blowing

-The next day you should have a nice thick layer of red RSO oil that will be very strong.
-fill some capsules with about a hefty size dab to start off with. Its not for the faint of heart.

Seriously. strongest stuff I have ever played with.
 
I a week or so I will be making some. I will take detailed pictures and post in my journal for you man. :)
 
Crush the pills as fine as you can, mix them with a few mL/pill (generally 1-2 is good but you might want to use like 10mL if you're only doing 3 pills because it's a small volume) of ice cold water and stir thoroughly then filter through a coffee filter. You should get over 90% of the goodies and a DRASTIC reduction in the amount of APAP. IIRC the solubility of hydrocodone in 0C water is ~60mg/mL while APAP is 8mg/mL at 0C. As long as you get the pills to a really fine powder the dissolution of the opioid will be very rapid.

I will second the use of oral cannabis for pain. I personally don't get much of a buzz from edibles but they're awesome for pain for me. I eat about a gram worth every day.
 
That sounds good, and like something i would like to try!

Do you get the taste of oil when you hiccup or etc like canna oil caps? not that i mind but sometimes it gets to be too much lol

How do you know that the iso alcohol is evap and gone or safe for consumption ?

The RSO oil is able to smoke like a dab? or is it made primarily as an edible/capsule ? sounds great

I will looks forward to the detailed pics!
 
Mr duck thank you for stopping in!

That sounds simple and easy to do...

How quick will the hydrocodone start to work after drinking the water? Much faster than a pill I presume?

If i premade a batch could the water sit for a couple days as i measure dosages out? or does the water and hydro evaporate after time or anything like that?

Thanks for the info duck as always!
 
-no taste from just the red oil

-if you use a heat pad and fan you will know because your evap pan will smell like flowers not iso

-you can dab it.. My wife prefers it over all others for smoking..LOL but it is really supposed to be ate...:)
 
You need to properly purge it to get rid of the solvent (whatever solvent you use if it isn't one you can consume). Place it in a bath of boiling or near boiling water and stir the hell out of it over a large surface area. If you find you like it a recovery still can be employed and grain alcohol employed and you can keep a very concentrated green dragon type tincture and reclaim 90-95% of your alcohol which makes running grain alcohol affordable. Otherwise it gets pricey FAST!
You can smoke RSO just like a dab but a number of the benefits seem to come from the oral delivery method.
 
Wow thanks guys great info

Did a quick search saw an RSO video by a lady who uses ever clear whole grain for the fact that it is a natural solvent. This is something i will have to try.

RSO stand for Rick Simpson Oil ? correct me if i am wrong
 
Yea... but technically its not really his idea..LOL people have been flux boiling material in solvent for ages. He just is named as "rediscovering" the medical benefits of eating concentrated cannabis oils. The video is probably bad kitty smiles?? not sure. I got some of my info that way and then made the above technique based on what they showed and my own personal experience.

What I make turns out like the oil that comes out of my volcano. VERY strong stuff. and it is not green or black but red.
 
So what are the herb/alcohol ratio you would use?

Just saturate the bud in the alcohol? or a set amount like a cup per oz like edibles?

My math skills aren't that great could someone assist me in calculating dosages when making the oil,

If i use 25 grams (keep the numbers easy lol)

Then end up with 5 grams oil (not sure on actual yields for rso)

then divide that 5 grams up into .25 gram capsules

That would give me 20 capsules of oil, each including around 1.25 grams of bud? (1.25 x 20 dosages = 25 grams original bud)

Or you cannot simply break down the math from herb in grams to oil, because of potency?

little confused and would like clarity if i make sense?

LOL thanks everyone!
 
I havent done the numbers. All the alcohol evaps off in my method. so the amount doesnt matter. enough to cover the bud so that you get the solvent all over. When I extract I shake lightly for a few minutes in the jar.

Save the extracted bud in the freezer. Its good to throw into the crock when making butter. The ISO will evap off if you cook your butter for 24 hrs.
 
What you end up with is just pure oil like QWISO but activated and extremely bio available. The yield could vary with the bud but the strength will be there regardless. I titrate each batch individually since no two batches have been alike.
 
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