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BarnBuster · Sep 28, 2020

Philadelphia parade exposes thousands to Spanish flu | September 28, 1918 | HISTORY

A WWI Liberty Loan parade in Philadelphia prompts a huge outbreak of Spanish flu in the city, infecting thousands.

www.history.com

"Twenty-four hours after the parade had ended, 118 Philadelphians were described as coming down with "a mysterious, deadly influenza." Two days later, Dr. Wilmer Krusen concluded that the Spanish flu was now present in the civilian population. One day after this announcement, every bed in Philadelphia's 31 hospitals was filled. One week later, 4,500 Philadelphians were declared dead of the Spanish flu and 47,000 people were infected.

On October 3, the outbreak of the Spanish flu in Philadelphia had gotten so bad that the city had to be essentially shut down. Schools, churches, bars and theaters were all required to be closed. Today, The Center for Disease Control's Division of Global Migration and Quarantine uses the Philadelphia Liberty Loans Parade as an example of how not to handle a pandemic."

Philadelphia Threw a WWI Parade That Gave Thousands of Onlookers the Flu

The city sought to sell bonds to pay for the war effort, while bringing its citizens together during the infamous pandemic

www.smithsonianmag.com

Laughing Grass · Sep 28, 2020

Casinos are opening today in Ontario.

hillbill · Sep 28, 2020

Sturgis happens to be at the middle of a solid block of states with increasing rates of infection.
Positivity rate:
North Dakota 30%
South Dakota 26%
Many bikers not cooperating with Contact Tracers.
AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM

BarnBuster · Sep 28, 2020

curious2garden · Sep 28, 2020

hillbill said:
Sturgis happens to be at the middle of a solid block of states with increasing rates of infection.
Positivity rate:
North Dakota 30%
South Dakota 26%
Many bikers not cooperating with Contact Tracers.
AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM

Their cooperation, would not be necessary if they had not conspired with the enemy at our gates. Which has me mulling over words like treachery, traitor, perfidy, betrayal, treason.

BarnBuster · Sep 28, 2020

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared."
Popularly attributed to Cicero, but not traced in his works and apparently from words spoken by him in this historical novel based on his life A Pillar of Iron (1965) ch. 56

curious2garden · Sep 28, 2020

BarnBuster said:
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared."
Popularly attributed to Cicero, but not traced in his works and apparently from words spoken by him in this historical novel based on his life A Pillar of Iron (1965) ch. 56

Exactly, we know this enemies name, his face and all his tactics. Yet we are bombarded with lies, obfuscation and pointed on the path of surrender and ultimate destruction.

If you don't have a respirator get one and wear eye protection.

Laughing Grass · Sep 28, 2020

curious2garden said:
Exactly, we know this enemies name, his face and all his tactics. Yet we are bombarded with lies, obfuscation and pointed on the path of surrender and ultimate destruction.

If you don't have a respirator get one and wear eye protection.

I saw my first public freakout over wearing a mask this weekend and I left my phone in the car

Older woman who looked to be in her 70's yelling that she's lived there for 50 years without wearing a mask and she can't be forced to wear one now. The staff formed a line by the door and wouldn't let her in and she eventually left. How much would it suck working retail for close to minimum wage and have to be the front line in mask policing? I feel bad for them and they should get a raise.

I've given up reading the news and being in a constant state nervousness. People have zero shame and I don't think there's anything we can do about it. Just have to protect ourselves and our loved ones and watch the world burn around us.

hillbill · Sep 28, 2020

Talk Radio(really just free hate speech) Fux News and all kinds of other Radical Right media and Republicans in general as well as White Evangelical Preacher Thugs and Quacks have so destroyed Truth that civil conversation has become impossible since some have “Alternative Facts”.

curious2garden · Sep 28, 2020

Laughing Grass said:
I saw my first public freakout over wearing a mask this weekend and I left my phone in the car Older woman who looked to be in her 70's yelling that she's lived there for 50 years without wearing a mask and she can't be forced to wear one now. The staff formed a line by the door and wouldn't let her in and she eventually left. How much would it suck working retail for close to minimum wage and have to be the front line in mask policing? I feel bad for them and they should get a raise.

I've given up reading the news and being in a constant state nervousness. People have zero shame and I don't think there's anything we can do about it. Just have to protect ourselves and our loved ones and watch the world burn around us.

They should not have to be, the mask police. By now, if the US had not abdicated it's international health leadership role, we could have leveraged the DPA. We along with our allies would be awash in so many effective N95 respirators that all a business owner would have to do is fit test their employees and provide them with a correctly sized, effective N95.

Then we all wear PPE to protect ourselves, no policing necessary. Then anyone else can choose to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight and it effects no one but themselves. This false dilemma of dividing us by saying we have to wear a cloth mask to protect others from us was doomed to fail from the beginning. But it would have worked as a stop gap to get us to having enough PPE for both healthcare and everyone else.

All that time has been wasted. Get a respirator and wear it. Protect yourself and stop caring about the suicidal. If they don't care about living you can't care for them.

Laughing Grass · Sep 28, 2020

Ontario reported its highest number of cases for a single day since the start of the pandemic today. lol we're fucked.

shrxhky420 · Sep 28, 2020

Laughing Grass said:
I saw my first public freakout over wearing a mask this weekend and I left my phone in the car Older woman who looked to be in her 70's yelling that she's lived there for 50 years without wearing a mask and she can't be forced to wear one now. The staff formed a line by the door and wouldn't let her in and she eventually left. How much would it suck working retail for close to minimum wage and have to be the front line in mask policing? I feel bad for them and they should get a raise.

I've given up reading the news and being in a constant state nervousness. People have zero shame and I don't think there's anything we can do about it. Just have to protect ourselves and our loved ones and watch the world burn around us.

Someone wanted to fight me at the shop because I asked him to keep 6ft from other patrons. It was actually really funny. The fucking asshole takes off his mask as if he wants to fight. I thought taking off your shirt angrily was the universal sign for, let's fight fucker!

The owner of the shop was there and basically told him it is what it is.... he said he was going to another shop in town. I asked if he had directions on how to get there. :finger:

Edit: I turned in my notice. I got 2 more weeks. Good thing I didn't need, nor do I need that job.

SH420

curious2garden · Sep 28, 2020

Laughing Grass said:
Ontario reported its highest number of cases for a single day since the start of the pandemic today. lol we're fucked.

No, we are not, they are. Get a respirator (a real, reusable one), simply continue with your life. This will be over 2-3 years from now which is a very short time.

shrxhky420 said:
Someone wanted to fight me at the shop because I asked him to keep 6ft from other patrons. It was actually really funny. The fucking asshole takes off his mask as if he wants to fight. I thought taking off your shirt angrily was the universal sign for, let's fight fucker!

The owner of the shop was there and basically told him it is what it is.... he said he was going to another shop in town. I asked if he had directions on how to get there.

Edit: I turned in my notice. I got 2 more weeks. Good thing I didn't need, nor do I need that job.

SH420

Now is a very good time to explore other options, many hugs and love you kiddo, stay strong and survive.

shrxhky420 · Sep 28, 2020

curious2garden said:
No, we are not, they are. Get a respirator (a real, reusable one), simply continue with your life. This will be over 2-3 years from now which is a very short time.

Now is a very good time to explore other options, many hugs and love you kiddo, stay strong and survive.

Yeah, mamashark and I have a lot coming up with the house. We're going to do some remodeling and working 2 jobs is not going to help me get anything done. I do plenty fine with 1 job.
I'm going to stop being lazy and pay attention to my grow. That's going to save money and maybe make some as well. Especially with all the fires, prices are going up. All the outdoor grows have gone up in smoke and not in a good way.

SH420

curious2garden · Sep 28, 2020

shrxhky420 said:
Yeah, mamashark and I have a lot coming up with the house. We're going to do some remodeling and working 2 jobs is not going to help me get anything done. I do plenty fine with 1 job.
I'm going to stop being lazy and pay attention to my grow. That's going to save money and maybe make some as well. Especially with all the fires, prices are going up. All the outdoor grows have gone up in smoke and not in a good way.

SH420

You are right!

greg nr · Sep 29, 2020

curious2garden said:
They should not have to be, the mask police. By now, if the US had not abdicated it's international health leadership role, we could have leveraged the DPA. We along with our allies would be awash in so many effective N95 respirators that all a business owner would have to do is fit test their employees and provide them with a correctly sized, effective N95.

Then we all wear PPE to protect ourselves, no policing necessary. Then anyone else can choose to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight and it effects no one but themselves. This false dilemma of dividing us by saying we have to wear a cloth mask to protect others from us was doomed to fail from the beginning. But it would have worked as a stop gap to get us to having enough PPE for both healthcare and everyone else.

All that time has been wasted. Get a respirator and wear it. Protect yourself and stop caring about the suicidal. If they don't care about living you can't care for them.

What is especially galling is the claim that wearing a mask is a political statement. NO! Wearing a mask is science. NOT wearing a mask is a political statement!

raratt · Sep 29, 2020

shrxhky420 said:
Especially with all the fires, prices are going up.

I need to find a trustworthy stoner to help me empty my storage cabinet and recoup some of my electric bill. I'm a better producer than consumer.

shrxhky420 · Sep 29, 2020

raratt said:
I need to find a trustworthy stoner to help me empty my storage cabinet and recoup some of my electric bill. I'm a better producer than consumer.

If I were a little closer I'd be there to give you a hand

SH420

Laughing Grass · Sep 29, 2020

curious2garden said:
No, we are not, they are. Get a respirator (a real, reusable one), simply continue with your life. This will be over 2-3 years from now which is a very short time.

Now is a very good time to explore other options, many hugs and love you kiddo, stay strong and survive.

lol so much for two weeks eh. Honestly I'm not terribly worried about getting sick in public, I'm taking all the precautions I'm only going into public places when I need groceries or prescriptions. My partners workplace gives them n95 masks, plastic faceguards and they oxide disinfect all surfaces between client appointments. And my parents started isolating themselves again now that everything has gotten so bad. It's the thought of another shutdown keeps me up at night, another layoff will be financially devastating.

shrxhky420 said:
Someone wanted to fight me at the shop because I asked him to keep 6ft from other patrons. It was actually really funny. The fucking asshole takes off his mask as if he wants to fight. I thought taking off your shirt angrily was the universal sign for, let's fight fucker!

The owner of the shop was there and basically told him it is what it is.... he said he was going to another shop in town. I asked if he had directions on how to get there.

Edit: I turned in my notice. I got 2 more weeks. Good thing I didn't need, nor do I need that job.

SH420

Bet the other shop will make him wear a mask too. I just don't get it. Nobody protests being forced to wear pants or shoes when you enter a business. We're stupid animals making the same mistakes over and over.

tyler.durden · Sep 29, 2020

Laughing Grass said:
Bet the other shop will make him wear a mask too. I just don't get it. Nobody protests being forced to wear pants or shoes when you enter a business. We're stupid animals making the same mistakes over and over.

To be fair, I sometimes do protest being forced to wear pants when entering a business. Strangely, the store clerks aren't as anxious to physically stop me as they are with the mask policy...

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