Commercial Methods

im still on the yes on 19 side, BUT after reading the other thread and someone mentioning big business would exploit pot to chemical products for mass production. wellll i feel i could agree this could happen. is their a way we can write a new piece of text that would include growing would HAVE to be done by organics or else it couldnt be brought to market? that would create a few jobs right their having quality testers come to all shops like they do food graders and mark wether they are organicaly grown or chemically beefed.

but at the same time the chems cant be too bad right? our current produce gets sprayed by pestis, and unless your buying from a farmers market or home grown. im not sure if ive ever tried organic buds vs whatever was being sold so i cant really compare the to. of course i also understand that the organic grown WILL be more expensive, and im fine with that. quality > quantity. but also if the commercial stuff is just as safe as my produce at the grocery store and its cheaper cuz its the stater bros brand and goes through the same QC tests, then thats where my money is going. UNLESS someone local has someting just as good but can provide the better compassion and CS then id rather support him.

It will be just like how we choose to buy fruit, wine, bread, beer, clothes, cars, shoes, houses....

If you don't want to buy products with pesticides buy organic
if you don't want to support big biz and corporations, don't buy products from them
if you don't want to support slave labor don't buy clothes/shoes made by slaves

The whole point of prop 19 is to END prohibition of marijuana in California and eventually the USA. When prohibition ends we will be able to have the knowledge about where, and how our marijuana is grown. full disclosure, none of this secret grow gardens crap and constantly wondering if we are buying from cartels and illegal operations. a lot of dispensaries here in la were not honest about how they obtained their bud and it sucked to think we contributed to the negative side of the biz.

we have the power to choose what we buy. if you don't like what is available for sale, grow your own because 19 allows for everyone of age to have a garden at home.

luvourmother said:

we have the power to choose what we buy. if you don't like what is available for sale, grow your own because 19 allows for everyone of age to have a garden at home.

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i wish some people would grasp the concept that thats how america works. some of these illegal rancheros think its all about them, and stuck in their conspiracy theories because they've lived with rocks and sticks for so long lol. yall had your fun and came up good. enjoy it while it lasts. if these 'pot' movies are correct then yall have already made your retirements 3x over with the amount quality buds yall are preaching about.

vradd said:

i wish some people would grasp the concept that thats how america works. some of these illegal rancheros think its all about them, and stuck in their conspiracy theories because they've lived with rocks and sticks for so long lol. yall had your fun and came up good. enjoy it while it lasts. if these 'pot' movies are correct then yall have already made your retirements 3x over with the amount quality buds yall are preaching about.

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Walk a mile in my shoes, and you'd realize how idiotic that statement is.

no sir im not going to compare 'backgrounds' with you because i can do the same and we'd both never really know. im talking about now. chance could happen NOW.

vradd said:

no sir im not going to compare 'backgrounds' with you because i can do the same and we'd both never really know. im talking about now. chance could happen NOW.

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Not if I can help it.

You don't give a shit about those that can be hurt, in the name of a legal bag?

Well, I prefer that you spend 10 years in prison rather than see my wife do without her meds for a day.

That better?

veggiegardener said:

Not if I can help it.

You don't give a shit about those that can be hurt, in the name of a legal bag?

Well, I prefer that you spend 10 years in prison rather than see my wife do without her meds for a day.

That better?

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Yeah, that sums it up. Thanks.

we are going to need mass production of weed for a number of reasons besides creating pesticide buds - i really want to see the power of cannabis oils and fibers used to benefit everyone - also, many of the canabinoids can be extracted for extremely useful medicine on a large scale..

NO FIELD HEMP WEST OF THE ROCKIES!!!

If you want to hand over Cannabis genetic's future to Monsanto, make it impossible for Californians to grow seedless pot.

veggiegardener said:

Not if I can help it.

You don't give a shit about those that can be hurt, in the name of a legal bag?

Well, I prefer that you spend 10 years in prison rather than see my wife do without her meds for a day.

That better?

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good one, well if i dont give a shit then that means YOU dont either since you want to keep pot to yourself. your not a true enthusiast of the plant. your in it for the money. why would you NOT want your neighbor to smoke buds freely? maybe it would stop them from stealing from you like you cry about right? why dont you want everyone to be able to have the freedom you have? what if they dont want to have a sin card just to smoke pot. but they are a fully functioning person?

veggiegardener said:

NO FIELD HEMP WEST OF THE ROCKIES!!!

If you want to hand over Cannabis genetic's future to Monsanto, make it impossible for Californians to grow seedless pot.

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propoganda much?

vradd said:

good one, well if i dont give a shit then that means YOU dont either since you want to keep pot to yourself. your not a true enthusiast of the plant. your in it for the money. why would you NOT want your neighbor to smoke buds freely? maybe it would stop them from stealing from you like you cry about right? why dont you want everyone to be able to have the freedom you have? what if they dont want to have a sin card just to smoke pot. but they are a fully functioning person?

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I guess you kill babies for fun and profit.

You're calling me a liar which makes you a baby killer.

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propoganda much?


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I was saying that, thirty years ago.

The pollen from a thousand acres of field hemp will pollinate every female down wind for a hundred miles.

I've had seeded pot. I prefer seedless.

again... your claiming a very isolated *case*. until it becomes legal your only giving speculation. remember your legal competition isnt going to want male pollen either. this is just another conspiracy you have that someone legit is gonna come in and terrorize your life.

No, the field hemp issue is real. Hemp isn't sexed and seeds might be harvested, along with fiber. Have you ever seen the volume of pollen produced by male Cannabis plants? This is an issue foreseen forty years ago.

If hemp were to come to the Central Valley, everyone in the Valley and Gold Country would be picking seeds out of every outdoor bud, and some poorly isolated indoor. Pollen is sneaky. I found two seeds on an indoor plant, nearly thirty years ago.

well good thing big business probably wont get involved with a federally illegal substance.

that means the big name will be a CA based only company, like some silicon valley video game and program labels. im sure if those companies want to remain #1 just like you, they will employ the same grow tactics and avoid pollen and whatever the hell your talking about.
dont you think the DEA will consider r.lee and his stuff more of a target since they will KNOW where hes at. and the few other big names that get in on this. their the ones risking their business for this. they will be the ones dealing with marketing.

so who cares man. so you have to give alittle up right now, look at what the names are going to be dealing with. i think thats a nice trade off, your still GOING to be making plenty of money if your bud is good like you say. so you might have to buy a 60" tv instead of a 72" who cares. your still getting it. isnt that really worth having everyone smoke without being stressed over it? are you really that inhumane you want to try to be a cut above everyone else? what if it gets taxed for the next 9years. and on that 10th year after 20+ states vote to legalize it stateside, the feds recognize it and do the same. what then?> yea the shits not perfect in your eyes, but you know what the crap your preaching isnt right in mine either.

but, wanna know business's will comply? because if not, your forgetting that this country has an *awesome* legal system. you could just take them to court. if you've ever been to real court cases not some petty 1 sided trial case, then you KNOW its all about what you can prove. if these companies are practicing bad farming you can sue them for something obsurd, and you know what you'd prob win.

vradd said:

well good thing big business probably wont get involved with a federally illegal substance.

that means the big name will be a CA based only company, like some silicon valley video game and program labels. im sure if those companies want to remain #1 just like you, they will employ the same grow tactics and avoid pollen and whatever the hell your talking about.

wanna know why they will comply? because if not, your forgetting that this country has an *awesome* legal system. you could just take them to court. if you've ever been to real court cases not some petty 1 sided criminal case, then you KNOW its all about what you can prove. if these companies are practicing bad farming you can sue them for something obsurd, and you know what you'd prob win.

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It appears your only knowledge of Cannabis culture involves which end of the pipe to light.

Hemp can be grown for seed. This requires pollen.

Large hemp growing operations and Marijuana for smoking will cross pollinate, making seedy buds and diminishing the quality of seeds.

Farmers in the mid West grew many thousands of acres of hemp before 1937. They grew again through WW2. The ban was then restored and hemp is now mostly grown in Central Europe.

Hemp will grow anywhere. It is great crop for marginal farm land.

I'd like to avoid growing it where Asparagus and tomatoes thrive.

This has NOTHING to do with P19.

It has everything to do with maintaining and preserving the genetics developed over the last three decades for high quality smoke.

You just like pissing and moaning regardless of the subject.

I've followed court cases.

I know how they work.

I know juries can be misled, because the folks best suited to understand the issues because they usually have something better to do.

Jury selection and remuneration are a joke in this country.

Many folks can't afford to take weeks or months to sit on a jury, losing their wages and receiving $5/day plus mileage.

Change that to $200/day and require(no excuses) participation, as well as forcing the lawyers to accept the first 12 people through the door, would go a long ways toward making our legal system more equitable.

Right now, money is in control.