COMMENTARY: How buying Ontario’s legal pot will be like a blast from the past

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gb123

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Somatek said:
Royal assent usually takes 7-10 days after a bill makes it through both houses. It's possible it could be earlier since the gov is jamming this through but typically it'd be a week or so before it's enacted.

At this point they're just setting up supply contracts to stock their shelves after it's passed. LP's are already shipping product overseas, they're no longer tied directly to patients like the old MMAR but operate in a heavily regulated market. Harper's goal was to get rid of that/PPL/DG system, but the courts squashed that.

Signing distribution deals would be contingent on the bills passing, so there's no laws being broken. The gov has already said it'll take 3 month to get stores up, running & stocked. Everything will be stalled until the bill passes the senate then there will be a flurry of activity.
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technically making illegal deals is................. still illegal... :idea:
nuff said really.

Its utter BS at its finest,:hump:
Do as they do I say ;) :idea: we have for ever..nothing will change that action :idea:(:

Time to watch them BURN..
faster is always nice! .................I like Bon Fires :fire:.
 
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gb123

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Somatek said:
"Suppose OCRC charges $6.96 per gram while paying $5.40. After subtracting $1.80 of required taxes, it’ll lose $0.24 per gram. That’s even before paying operating costs."

I think this will be the biggest issue, they have to get the price below the black market or people will ignore it. If it's cheaper & more convenient then people will switch. So far it sounds like it'll be less convenient, with less selection (no edibles or concentrates) & more expensive. Sounds like a winner to me...
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we already know they are fighting a losing battle :)
Go back 4 years and start reading all about it ..
 
Somatek

Somatek

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It would be illegal to accept shipment before royal assent but what law are they breaking now?
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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Somatek said:
At this point they're just setting up supply contracts to stock their shelves after it's passed
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Theyre still sitting on thousands of kilos of years old ditch weed. People seem to think a large percentage of Canadians are just itching for legalization to try cannabis. The reality of it is that it will be a small percentage, and those who wanted to try already have and will continue to obtain it through their regular channels. Especially in a legal market which is higher in price, lower in quality, and you can't see or smell it before purchasing.
 
Somatek

Somatek

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Do you mean all the ditch weed grown at flin flon? There's no way that'll sell which is why their still sitting on it.

I agree that what their proposing won't work. Stats Can latest release matches what you're saying, also implies that a lot more people are growing their own then they suspected.

I wouldn't be surprised if the legal market doesn't get traction until micro grows are regulated/licensed & there's actually a free market. LP's have already shown their out of touch with the market & if the OCS let's them set the price it's doomed.
 
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gb123

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Somatek said:
It would be illegal to accept shipment before royal assent but what law are they breaking now?
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it would be illegal to deal with shit that's illegal to deal with ................... no matter..
lol

are you a fed by chance..sounds like it with your way of thinking...
 
Somatek

Somatek

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It's not illegal for them to set up deals in a legal context, which is how they supply other countries with med pot. Making a contract in principle contingent on the bill being passed has no relevance until the bill is based and has no validity until then. Your over simplifying it which creates the illusion of illegality.

There are more then enough legitimate reasons to criticise the bill; lack of coherent plan for roadside testing, lack of first nation sovereignty in choosing to have dry communities, fines for illegal plants, etc. I don't see the point in creating issues that just make our community look paranoid/delusional, like the government is breaking their own laws. I choose the simple explanation over conspiracy theories, if that makes me a fed in your mind I don't particularly care. It's like arguing with a flat earther, there's no point if they've already made up their mind.
 
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gb123

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They are working off the premise, that its going to be LEGAL!!???? Do you know this..how bout them? lol



OK then..with your thinking and their's (: if that's the case.
then anyone can make illegal deals until that said day of it being legal?
because its going to be legal.?
Drug stores all of a sudden have a right to sell? lol

sounds more like someone is trying their hardest to corner a FREE MARKET ....

well, I gots news fer ya..:bigjoint:
This is a CANNABIS MARKET...:idea: one that is controlled by NOT THE GOVERNMENT
and they wonder why things just aint goin their way??? lol

This is one huge fuck up beyond words...


.....lets wager on how its gonna go ..shall we? (:
We will subsidize the fuck for the next 5 years plus...watch and learn!
 
Somatek

Somatek

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gb123 said:
OK then..with your thinking and their's (: if that's the case.
then anyone can make illegal deals until that said day of it being legal?
because its going to be legal.?
Drug stores all of a sudden have a right to sell? lol
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Anyone could engage LP's in discussion's about buying under a legal context, they wouldn't have any value until they are legally allowed to distribute to them. Shoppers Drug Mart or Second Cup for instance are both working out deals to become distributors. I don't know what's confusing about this to you.

CalyxCrusher said:
No, the thousands of kilos of irradiated shit the current LPs still haven't been able to sell. For good reason.
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Got any links to info about this? I've heard allusions to it & that most LP's are operating in the red but can't find independent info to verify.

I fully agree though, I got one shipment from broken coast & promptly went back to the black market. It had no taste (seemed like the terps were burned off) & had no potency. The prevalent effect was sluggish, confused/disoriented & felt like high CBN. I can get better product at half the cost with more selection.

Which makes me wonder if they're completely oblivious to their competition or just pushing a narrative to boost their brand perception.
 
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gb123

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Somatek said:
Anyone could engage LP's in discussion's about buying under a legal context, they wouldn't have any value until they are legally allowed to distribute to them. Shoppers Drug Mart or Second Cup for instance are both working out deals to become distributors. I don't know what's confusing about this to you.



Got any links to info about this? I've heard allusions to it & that most LP's are operating in the red but can't find independent info to verify.

I fully agree though, I got one shipment from broken coast & promptly went back to the black market. It had no taste (seemed like the terps were burned off) & had no potency. The prevalent effect was sluggish, confused/disoriented & felt like high CBN. I can get better product at half the cost with more selection.

Which makes me wonder if they're completely oblivious to their competition or just pushing a narrative to boost their brand perception.
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anyone should be allowed to become a distributer..:idea:
Their is an NDP senator fighting for such things ...
Kooteny Girl did ya get a loan yet?! ;)

if you dont know about the shit they are sitting on..... irradiated poison shwags..
The same shit that put them in court for poisoning sick folks...Class action! ! ;)
what you have to say is senseless until you know what s goin on ...
start reading
 
Somatek

Somatek

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I'm aware of the class action lawsuits and all their transgressions but have yet to see verified info about the quantities they're sitting on. It is well documented that the gov is sitting on thousands of lbs from flin flon, testing how it degrades over time. Which is why I asked for clarity instead of jumping to conclusions.

If I disagree with how you interpret things doesn't mean I'm not informed. Just that we have different opinions, the more presumptions you make the less value I see in your opinion. By all means keep dismissing what I'm saying instead of trying to understand it.
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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The way I see it, and this is just a personal opinion, is that the LP's were licensed to supply the med. market. They received perks and allowances from government and even had the federal Conservatives state publicly that they needed to eliminate patient grows to give the LP's the opportunity to develop a market base and become a viable business. Harper bragged about the $2 billion dollar industry he created at the expense of sick Canadians. The court ruling changed all that and the election opened the door for rec. IMO these LP's should be required to start at scratch and apply for rec. It is not fair or ethical that they are now being given a free ride to the recreational market. NONE of these companies have been granted permission to sell recreational cannabis and pre-sales ARE sales.They can enter into agreements to supply when legalization is implemented, but any transactions before are illegal. As for exporting, that is only permitted for medical at the moment and considering the only other legal country is Uraguay, I don't see a big market for LP rec weed anywhere.
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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Somatek said:
I'm aware of the class action lawsuits and all their transgressions but have yet to see verified info about the quantities they're sitting on. It is well documented that the gov is sitting on thousands of lbs from flin flon, testing how it degrades over time. Which is why I asked for clarity instead of jumping to conclusions.

If I disagree with how you interpret things doesn't mean I'm not informed. Just that we have different opinions, the more presumptions you make the less value I see in your opinion. By all means keep dismissing what I'm saying instead of trying to understand it.
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No jumping to conclusions. These are publicly traded companies. All quarterly info is available and this information can be found there.
 
Somatek

Somatek

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CalyxCrusher said:
No jumping to conclusions. These are publicly traded companies. All quarterly info is available and this information can be found there.
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The jumping to conclusion was meant for GB123 as he keeps repeating the same point from the same perspective without elaborating & then makes assumptions about me. I've appreciated your comments & thanks for explaining that you're pulling those # from quarterly reports.
 
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gb123

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Somatek said:
I'm aware of the class action lawsuits and all their transgressions but have yet to see verified info about the quantities they're sitting on. It is well documented that the gov is sitting on thousands of lbs from flin flon, testing how it degrades over time. Which is why I asked for clarity instead of jumping to conclusions.

If I disagree with how you interpret things doesn't mean I'm not informed. Just that we have different opinions, the more presumptions you make the less value I see in your opinion. By all means keep dismissing what I'm saying instead of trying to understand it.
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not informed to the sprayed irradiated herbs sitting for 4 years...
not to mention what happens to said poison herb over 4 years?...IT DEGRADES FROM DAY ONE!!!!!
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I hate teaching..can ya tell?

that enough for me to think otherwise.
 
TheRealDman

TheRealDman

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Somatek said:
It would be illegal to accept shipment before royal assent but what law are they breaking now?
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Conspiracy to traffic what is currently a controlled substance.

Remember it’s been pounded into our heads time and time again, “the law is the law as it is now“. Writing up contracts to export medical cannabis to other legal countries is one thing, but there’s nothing legal about recreational cannabis in Canada yet! As long as people are still being charged with possession and trafficking recreational cannabis...why not conspiracy to do the same?!?!
 
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gb123

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TheRealDman said:
Conspiracy to traffic what is currently a controlled substance.

Remember it’s been pounded into our heads time and time again, “the law is the law as it is now“. Writing up contracts to export cannabis to other legal countries is one thing, but there’s nothing legal about recreational cannabis in Canada yet! As long as people are still being charged with possession and trafficking recreational cannabis...why not conspiracy to do the same?!?!
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I figured he'd just GET THAT PART lol
no one has made it LEGAL yet...and I doubt it will be this year (:
its is not 100% guaranteed..:idea:
 
Somatek

Somatek

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VIANARCHRIS said:
The way I see it, and this is just a personal opinion, is that the LP's were licensed to supply the med. market. They received perks and allowances from government and even had the federal Conservatives state publicly that they needed to eliminate patient grows to give the LP's the opportunity to develop a market base and become a viable business. Harper bragged about the $2 billion dollar industry he created at the expense of sick Canadians. The court ruling changed all that and the election opened the door for rec. IMO these LP's should be required to start at scratch and apply for rec. It is not fair or ethical that they are now being given a free ride to the recreational market. NONE of these companies have been granted permission to sell recreational cannabis and pre-sales ARE sales.They can enter into agreements to supply when legalization is implemented, but any transactions before are illegal. As for exporting, that is only permitted for medical at the moment and considering the only other legal country is Uraguay, I don't see a big market for LP rec weed anywhere.
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In a fair world the rec market would be open to all growers equally. The world isn't fair & nepotism is standard human behaviour. It's horrible that LP's have such an advantage but based on the quality I've seen & the prices they seem to be pushing I doubt they'll capture much of the market.

Hopefully it's delayed so that a logical law can be drafted. Looking at the med laws & the fiasco they've been I think it's more likely that the gov will push their piss poor law & the courts will end up settling the constitutional challenges.

As far as I know we only export for medical use, don't remember seeing Uruguay on any list. A quick search came up with an article listing; Australia, Brazil, Cayman Islands, Chile, Croatia, Cyprus, Germany, New Zealand & South Africa as countries we export to.
 
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