Colorado growers, our days could be numbered

FlyLikeAnEagle

Well-Known Member
Looks like they are trying to ram a number of bassackwards bills down our throats. :cuss:
Here's the one from tonights legislative meeting:

Colo. pot dispensaries welcome state regulation
Proposal would make it harder for recreational users to get medical pot
The Associated Press
updated 2:12 p.m. MT, Wed., Jan. 27, 2010

DENVER - Colorado lawmakers have an unlikely ally in their first attempt to curb the state's booming medical marijuana industry: owners of the some of the shops that sell pot.
Many dispensary owners say they're on board with regulations if they give them uniform guidelines and avert a more severe crackdown like one approved this week in Los Angeles. Hundreds of Los Angeles pot shops face closure after the City Council voted Tuesday to cap the number of dispensaries in the city at 70.
The Colorado proposal — before a legislative committee Wednesday — would make it more difficult for recreational pot users to become legal medical marijuana patients. It would bar doctors from working out of dispensaries, make it illegal for them to offer discounts to patients who agree to use a designated dispensary, and require follow-up doctor visits.
Some patients worry it will cost them hundreds of dollars on top of the $90 annual fee they pay to register as a medical marijuana user.
William Chengelis said he can't get his regular Veterans Administration doctors to sign off on medical marijuana and said buying pot illegally and paying the $100 fine would be cheaper than paying a private doctor for follow-up visits.
"I cannot afford this bill," Chengelis told lawmakers.
While some advocates see any regulations as a violation of the medical marijuana law passed by voters in 2000, many dispensaries say they welcome the certainty that more regulation would provide.
"We're saying we really can't operate without any rules," said Matt Brown, a medical marijuana patient and leader of a coalition of about 150 dispensaries and over 1,000 patients.
Erik Santos, who operates a dispensary out of an office building in a trendy part of Denver's downtown section, thinks it makes sense to limit large marijuana growers to industrial areas and keep dispensaries out of residential areas. He wants lawmakers to pass laws now before even more dispensaries open up and prevent those with possible criminal ties from giving the industry a bad name.
Another bill still in the works could set up more regulations on dispensaries and suppliers.
Colorado cities are also looking to lawmakers to pass regulations. Hundreds of dispensaries have popped up across the state — in empty storefronts, office buildings and even a historic movie theater.
Some cities have passed moratoriums on pot shops as they figure out how to regulate them and wait for more guidance from the state. The Denver suburb of Centennial voted to ban dispensaries and close a shop that had already opened, but a court blocked that move.
"Everyone is waiting to see what happens this (legislative) session," said Mark Radtke, a lobbyist for the Colorado Municipal League.
Colorado already has some rules in place for medical marijuana dispensaries, including prohibiting dispensaries within 1,000 feet of schools, day cares and other dispensaries. Felons convicted within the last five years would be barred from running shops. Dispensary owners would have to be licensed, pass a criminal background check and pay a $2,000 application fee along with $3,000 a year to renew licenses.

The rules are set to take effect March 1, although they could change depending on what state lawmakers to decide to do.
Fear that dispensaries would attract crime has been raised by those concerned about the growth of dispensaries. But police in Denver are discounting that.

Police say medical marijuana dispensaries were robbed or burglarized at a lower rate than liquor stores or even banks last year. A memo reported by The Denver Post on Wednesday says they were hit at about the same rate as pharmacies.

Matt Brown is just a lackey for the dispensaries and they appear to be screwing the patient coming and going. My Attorney who is very involved with this told me yesterday that the dispensaries are attempting to protect their own interests at the expense of patients and that they now have a fairly large lobbying group. She also said that legal documents are already being drafted against this as it is unconstitutional, so I guess we'll see what happens.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

Well-Known Member
Matt Brown is just a lackey for the dispensaries and they appear to be screwing the patient coming and going. My Attorney who is very involved with this told me yesterday that the dispensaries are attempting to protect their own interests at the expense of patients and that they now have a fairly large lobbying group. She also said that legal documents are already being drafted against this as it is unconstitutional, so I guess we'll see what happens.

I wondered how 'legal' it was as well but politicians have a way of bending words and wills to their ways! ;-)
 

BikerDude

Member
Question:

If I am a caregive for a friend of mine can she still grow at her own home? I would grow three of her plants and she would like to grow 3 in her home. Is this allowed? I can't find that specific answer...I was told by a buddy of mine that was ok but I don't think it is.
 

rreign

Active Member
Here's a few things I found today. Nothing on Romer YET, but I thought they were helpful.

How to Contact the Senate Health and Human Services Committee

Supporters of patient rights need to contact the Senate HHS Committee and ask them to vote NO on SB109.

1) Be respectful and calm.
2) In your own words, state your reasons that you would like them to vote against SB109. Here are some talking points:

SB109 is bad for patients because it:
- Raises the costs to patients by requiring extra exams and record-keeping
- Raises the costs to patients by not allowing their previous medicalhistory to be used to determine whether they would benefit from medical marijuana
- Allows a Medical Review Board to override the decision of a qualified physician that someone under 21 might benefit from the use of medical marijuana.
- Is discriminatory, because no other medicine in the state is regulated so harshly

3) The bill is a solution in search of a problem. The Colorado State Board of Medical Examiners already has a system set up to deal with complaints about fraudulent physicians. These additional burdens are unnecessary and discriminatory.

Complaints and Enforcement

4) Ask the Senator if they would be willing to sponsor a Medical Marijuana Patient Bill of Rights, that takes into consideration the concerns of patients. The current bills are all geared towards law enforcement and restricting the Constitutional rights of patients to use medical cannabis. We need a champion in the Senate that will help protect patients, not try to restrict their rights to medicine.


Senate Health and Human Services Committee - 7 Members:

Senator Betty Boyd (D), Chairwoman
District 21: (Jefferson County)
Phone: (303) 866-4857
E-mail: [email protected]

Senator Linda Newell (D), Vice-Chairman
Distirct 26 (Arapahoe and Jefferson counties)
Phone:: 303-866-4846
E-mail: [email protected]

Senator Morgan Carroll (D)
District 29 (Arapahoe County)
Profession: Attorney/Small Business Owner
Phone: : 303-866-4879
E-mail: [email protected]

Senator Kevin Lundberg (R)
Phone: 303-866-4853
E-mail: [email protected]

Senator Shawn Mitchell (D)
District 23 (Adams, Broomfield and Weld counties)
Profession: Attorney
Phone: 303-866-4876
E-mail: [email protected]

Senator Paula E. Sandoval (D)
Profession: Businesswoman
Phone:: 303-866-4862
E-mail: [email protected]

Senator David C. Schultheis (R)
District 9 (El Paso)
Profession: Real Estate Investor (Retired)
Phone: 303-866-4835
E-mail: [email protected]

Here is another list that I found. You can just write a single letter to Romer, then CC every one of them... here you go

Colorado State Representatives

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***I am a Veteran myself and I will be moving to Colorado and I would like to show you this email and the following RESPONSE, yes a response, from one of the Senators.***

As a registered voter, medical marijuana patient and a disabled US ARMY veteran, I just wanted you to know the impact your bill, as written, will have on veterans that rely on the VA for medical care. Even now, as the law is written, VA doctors cannot sign a recommendation for 2 reasons, 1. The doctors there are not licensed by the State, so they can't sign and 2. They are "Federal" employees, even if they wanted to sign, they can't for fear of career-ending repercussions.

Your proposed bill, as it is written, "requires doctors to have a closer relationship with their pot-seeking patients". Well sir, I rely on the VA for my medical care and there must be a provision that allows me to take my VA records to a Colorado licensed physician to get a recommendation without this requirement, even if I, like the under 21-yr old veterans, must go before a board. As written, it would require me to pay out-of-pocket even more, because I would have to have a "close relationship" with the doctor, meaning I would have to see him more than once and have to pay for this. This would truly have a major impact on not only my life, but the lives of countless veterans in our great State, veterans that have served their country with honor, veterans that have fought for the people's right to vote and make changes - like Amendment 20. Without these many veterans, you might not even have the rights guaranteed to you by both our State Constitution as well as the US Constitution.

Another thing that would help the state - permanent cards for those that have permanent disabilities (I have 3 crushed vertebrae). That way all the state would have to do is collect our $90 every year, or...better yet collect a discounted portion of that $90 and not process another card. This would save the state the $$ from having to reprocess certain folks every year, as well as reduce paperwork and the need for more employees. Once they catch up, the need for the extra personnel would be drastically reduced! As things stand now, the State is in violation of Amendment 20, since it requires the State to process and produce the cards in 35 days. Well sir, my card has yet to arrive and it's been over 90 days. It will only be a short time before someone tries to litigate this in the courts! Instead of cluttering the process with unnecessary governmental bureaucracy and even more paperwork, let's do this one right the fist time! I urge you to consider this as you move forward in this process.
A suggestion for the surplus money ---education....TABOR has messed this state up so bad, our children are suffering. I have no doubt that any med user would have a problem with that surplus money going to the education of our children. In fact, I personally think that maybe a 1% tax that goes to the State's Education Fund on top of the other taxes already being paid might be something that could get passed without much opposition from the Medical Marijuana Community.

Just a veteran hoping you have an open mind.....

Thank you very much for taking your time and reading this.

***The Response***

"Thank you for your thoughtful comments regarding the medical marijuana dilemma. This is a complicated issue and the bills are still being debated. I did not realize that VA doctors would not be able to write the recommendations for cards; that is something we need to address. I will keep your comments in mind as we ponder this issue. Rep. Beth McCann."

***This guy was then invited to speak to the house and was heard by many. Romer is now considering a bill or add-on to the amendment FOR veterans***
 

rreign

Active Member
Please take your time to write your letters if you choose to write anyone. It is very important that we don't let our anger get the best of us. It's time to be reponsive to all of these bills and regulations that have the potential to destroy what we have worked so hard for. That is our God given RIGHT to the plant we all love. If you don't approach the governing officials with respect, knowledge, and dignity then how can you expect to be taken seriously? We need to be very specific about our concerns. Show facts behind your concerns and try not to directly make allegations towards a specific person. As well as addressing the things that we might expect to have accomplished. I will be writing letters to all of them. Even though I am not a part of your great state, I will be soon. I am just prepping for my future there and fighting for the same rights as all of you.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

Well-Known Member
rreign-

GREAT work here, well articulated out and posted! I for one, will be adding the fact that Nov. elections will be coming up soon enough and that we patients are carefully watching WHAT these people do. Sometimes you HAVE to remind them that they are, in fact, public servants and are supposed to be serving the public trust...not their own. ;)
 

rreign

Active Member
AGREED Mac. I was going to talk about that the other day but I couldn't get my math straight so I decided against it. Let's think about it here. 24% Colorado is under 18 and can't vote. about 30,000 people are MMJ patients. About 1/3 or the rest of the voters are for MMJ or just don't care and would like to stick it to the man anyway (that last pert was an assumption, lol) so let's see. 4.9 million in Colorado. That leaves about 1.2million that has the potential to vote against these corrupt assholes again. So what's that leave that will vote for them??? If I did that right and everyone votes, there would be about 2.4 million people that could be voting for them on certain bills and regulations. That's a pretty large number. There's more than one way to skin a politician here. This is why we need to ban together and get our shit straight.

Oh, that letter up there was a letter that a veteran had already written to some of the senators. He spoke today at the hearing for SB109

I will post my letter up here for all of you to see, as well as any responses I might get.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

Well-Known Member
AGREED Mac. I was going to talk about that the other day but I couldn't get my math straight so I decided against it. Let's think about it here. 24% Colorado is under 18 and can't vote. about 30,000 people are MMJ patients. About 1/3 or the rest of the voters are for MMJ or just don't care and would like to stick it to the man anyway (that last pert was an assumption, lol) so let's see. 4.9 million in Colorado. That leaves about 1.2million that has the potential to vote against these corrupt assholes again. So what's that leave that will vote for them??? If I did that right and everyone votes, there would be about 2.4 million people that could be voting for them on certain bills and regulations. That's a pretty large number. There's more than one way to skin a politician here. This is why we need to ban together and get our shit straight.

Oh, that letter up there was a letter that a veteran had already written to some of the senators. He spoke today at the hearing for SB109

I will post my letter up here for all of you to see, as well as any responses I might get.
rreign maybe you could post the information you just posted into a new thread, and we can follow, bump that one accordingly. People NEED to see this and act!
 

rreign

Active Member
Hell yeah Mac, I'm all about that. As soon as I finish and proof my letter, I'll run a new thread with everything you could need or want to know about all of these senators. Especially Romer. +rep for the idea. Let's get something going here that people can't and won't ignore or deny.
 

EdGreyfox

Well-Known Member
Well, just sent my letter off to my Senator and CC'd all the others. Hope it does some good.

"Senator Mitchell,

I am writing to you to request that you vote against SB109, and also to request that you vote against any other bills that are introduced that would raise the costs for medical marijuana patients or restrict the ability of medical marijuana caregivers to meet the demand for their medicines. As SB109 stands currently it would force medical marijuana patients to accept much higher out of pocket expenses by requiring expensive follow up visits and unnecessary exams that no insurance plan that I am aware of will cover. I am an accountant by trade and can afford the increased costs if necessary, but I know a large number of other patients that are not as fortunate as I am that could not. Between the state fee and the doctors visit my own license has already cost me $250, so requiring follow up visits could easily end up raising the cost to receive and maintain a license to $500+ a year. Do you honestly think most people can afford that kind of extra expense, especially in this economy?

As for the other provisions of the bill, I find it quite hard to comprehend why anyone thinks it should be necessary to regulate medical marijuana in a way that other prescription drugs are not. There are already laws on the books to deal with both doctors that abuse their privilege to write prescriptions and patients that abuse the drugs they receive through those prescriptions, so why does medical marijuana need a separate set of rules? I understand the desire to prevent doctors providing prescriptions for recreational use, but that same concern exists with all pharmaceuticals and I don't see anyone rushing to require a review board for doctors that prescribe codeine or valium on a regular basis. If the existing laws are able to stop those from being widely abused why should they not suffice for medical marijuana? To the best of my knowledge there has never been a single death in this state caused by the use of marijuana, so why does it need to be regulated so strictly?

My other concern is with other bills that have either been introduced, or that will be introduced in the future that are aimed at restricting the number of dispensaries and/or caregivers that will be permitted to operate or that will limit them to a certain number of patients. Since the law limits a patient to no more then six plants it is virtually impossible for anyone to grow all of their own medicine given the length of time it takes to grow and the relatively small yield per plant. This means they must rely on the dispensaries and caregivers for their medicine at least part of the time, and any move that limits dispensaries and caregivers ability to supply the patient’s needs is going to force prices upwards. When you consider that an ounce of medicine runs upwards of $450 at most dispensaries and that a typical patient will go through that amount in seven to ten days it seems obvious that the current restrictions and uncertainty are already forcing prices higher then they should be, and that any tighter regulations will just push the price to the point where only the rich will be able to afford it. If you actually want to slow the proliferation of dispensaries you should be backing legislation that would increase the supply and lower the sale price, since that would remove the high profit incentive that is driving the boom in dispensaries. Allowing patients and caregivers to grow more plants would be a good start, though it would also require raising the current two ounce possession limit to something a bit more reasonable since it's impossible to guess any plants actual yield in advance.

As an alternative to the approaches that are currently being taken I would suggest using existing laws to control those doctors that are "rubber stamping" prescriptions for recreational users. You can also use existing laws to crack down on those patients that commit fraud to obtain a license for purely recreational use. Concentrate your efforts on those that are obviously breaking the laws instead of punishing everyone for the bad behavior of a small minority of patients and doctors. "
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

Well-Known Member
Ed-

Great letter, nicely put. However the only missing thing was the greatest motivator of all humans...the fear of LOSING something. Many studies have been done that show the fear of losing that which one already has is greater than the gain of something you do not. In this case, my letters will add to the bottom paragraph that WE the people are watching VERY carefully how OUR interests are being represented and that November will be here VERY SOON. Nice parting shot, if you ask me and not simply idle words. Give the Senators something to think about that hits HOME. ;)
rep+ for posting your carefully written words!
 

connorbrown

Well-Known Member
I have been doing my part outside of a local mall. Getting the word out. I plan on making a documentary on the herb.
 

EdGreyfox

Well-Known Member
Mac,

I was considering adding something like that, but figured I'd be nice with this letter. I can always haul out the stick if reason fails. :)
 

rreign

Active Member
Mac I'll have my letter written up this evening and I'll post it for everyone to read prior to my sending it. That way we can colaborate and see what I may need to add or take out. If we all focus our goals and demands in one or a few SPECIFIC areas, then it will show that we all have the same legitimate complaints and concerns. That would ensure that they aren't recieving random letters from crazy advocates, rather they would be getting letters from educated and concerned individuals.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

Well-Known Member
Mac I'll have my letter written up this evening and I'll post it for everyone to read prior to my sending it. That way we can colaborate and see what I may need to add or take out. If we all focus our goals and demands in one or a few SPECIFIC areas, then it will show that we all have the same legitimate complaints and concerns. That would ensure that they aren't recieving random letters from crazy advocates, rather they would be getting letters from educated and concerned individuals.
GREAT thought rreign

I will be sending out 2 different 'versions' of my letter. One from my spouse (who has MS) teh 'good' cop and one from ME the 'BAD cop'. I feel the need to vent and make these slackers aware that re-election time is coming up and we won't accept any more pathetic, shady moves on thier part representing the people of Colorado! Stand and Deliver!
 
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