Coconut oil and drysift??

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    roony

    roony Well-Known Member

    So i did a drysift of some weed got a bunch of kief trying to make coconut oil kief pills 15g of kief(decarbed)to one cup of oil my question is how long do i need to heat that mixture to get the best infusion?
     
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    GroErr

    GroErr Well-Known Member

    Did you decarb the sift?
    How do you plan to use it, like into caps or the like?

    Attaching a recipe for caps I use. I typically up the time to decarb and cooking times to 40 min for a more stony buzz.
     

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    roony

    roony Well-Known Member

    Yea caps and i decarb kief seperate now have in a crock pot to heat and mix in kief so 40 min for decarb or to mix in
     
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    GroErr

    GroErr Well-Known Member

    That recipe decarbs, then cooks it twice with a freeze in between. Never used/tried a crock pot for it but if you can control the temps it should work fine. I decarb for 40 minutes (sift usually holds moisture and needs a little more than bud), then follow the lower temp cooks (also for 40 minutes each) with a freeze in between per the recipe.
     
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    roony

    roony Well-Known Member

    Awesome thanks for the quick info
     
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    goblets

    goblets Member

    I've been making editables with dry sift and coconut oil. My wife hates the smell of baking cannabis so ivI' been trying to minimize the smell and mess of making my meds.
    All I do is mix the oil, kief, and some water in a heavy duty plastic container. Then microwave it until it's almost boiling. Seal it up tight and put it in the fridge upside down. The next day I drain off the water. Add more water and then repeat the whole process for 5 or 6 days.
    Typically I cook the oil in a bread like product but it should be mostly decarbed before cooking
     
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    OldMedUser

    OldMedUser Well-Known Member

    I've been making cocobudder out of bud/sugar trim for a few years now as I found caps to be a PITA.

    Sitting on about 40g of kief and was thinking of using it for the cocobudder or making a batch of BHO with some sugar trim I have stashed in the freezer and mixing that with kief to make my honey hash.

    When I make the cocobudder I use a variac with a crock pot to be able to raise the temp higher than the crock pot is designed to go and decarb right in the coconut oil. Starts bubbling around 235F and I'll let the temp go to about 260F. Then let the temp drop to around 150 and simmer for a few hours then strain into a mason jar. Adding about 5% by weight of liquid sunflower lecithin after the temp drop. Then refrigerate overnight, Warm it up to liquid again and then another refrigeration. Supposed to bond the lecithin to the cannabinoids and make it more available.

    Then take about a tsp and spread it on a cookie or toast and eat it. Doesn't taste bad so often just eat it off the tsp. Generally make it in a 20:1 ratio as a 10:1 can be too strong for friends I share it with.

    Doing something the same with kief maybe but not sure of the amount of kief to use to get the same dosage.

    If you plan to make caps on a regular basis you should spent the 20-$30 and get a Cap-M-Quik cap filler. Holds 50 caps and can be used for oils or dry ingredients.

    I use this little crock pot for up to 400ml batches.

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    And the regular sized one for batches up to 3L but have only made a 1L batch with 50g of bud so far. Commandeered the wife's mixer so I don't have to keep getting up to go go stir it during commercials. :)

    That foam on top of the oil is from the decarb bubbles.

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    A little off-topic but I hope not too bad an intrusion.

    :peace:
     
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    OldMedUser

    OldMedUser Well-Known Member

    Nice recipe!

    :peace:
     
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    OldMedUser

    OldMedUser Well-Known Member

    Tell your wife to suck it up.

    It's now known that NO plastic is safe to use in a microwave and microwaves aren't safe to use either. Especially for something like your meds.

    They break apart amino acids making them useless for your body to build proteins from and create carcinogenic particles at a much higher rate than conventional cooking. And to do it 5 or 6 times is huge overkill.

    I would lay out a sheet of tinfoil then lay a slightly smaller sheet of parchment paper or a silicon baking sheet if doing a larger batch on top of the foil. Then carefully fold the tinfoil over and do a double seal all around the edges. Maybe wrap again with foil and seal well. With kief it can stick to the foil when it melts so the paper or silicon prevents that.

    Then preheat your oven to 250 and heat for 30-45min. Put a cookie sheet on the rack below the foil pack so it doesn't get hit with a blast of too high heat when the element cycles on.

    Leave the oven door open a bit when done to allow the foil pack to cool slowly and the evaporated cannabinoids to reabsorb into the pot/kief rather than condense onto the foil if it cools too fast.

    With the exhaust fan over the stove going there should be no smells at all. Then you can just simmer the pot/kief in the oil at low temp on the back burner of the stove with the fan on again and marital bliss is maintained. :)

    If you are going to use your oil for baked goods you really shouldn't need to decarb at all. I make cookies or banana bread with kief or pot and it can kick my ass. It decarbs fine as it bakes. If pot has been sitting around at room temp for 6 months it's already decarbed too. I'll eat a raw bud out of a jar I have sitting around and get baked.

    :peace:
     
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    GroErr

    GroErr Well-Known Member

    Cheers, they seem to be working :eyesmoke:

    I don't mind doing the caps, I make batches of 40-60 at a time and it's personal so lasts a while. Best part is cleaning up the spills from filling the caps ;)
     
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    goblets

    goblets Member

    Sure the plastic container has issues but this low smell low mess method is still sound. If the plastic bothers you just use a glass mason jar.

    Repeating 5 or 6 times is not overkill, it's a good thing. The reason is 2 fold: 1st it safely decarbed the stuff, the water guarantees the temperature never gets too hot, which is a risk with the tinfoil bake method. The other thing that happens is you pull all the water soluble stuff out of the oil. Leaving behind all the terps. You have a wonderful smelling oil with an excellent shelf life.

    I find the tinfoil method is more messy and gives a lesser quality product, or a damaged product if the stove gets a little hot.

    I could tell my wife to suck it but I think i would rather be considerate of how it effects her.

     
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    OldMedUser

    OldMedUser Well-Known Member

    It's your health so do what you want I guess.
     
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    Wilksey

    Wilksey Well-Known Member

    Nobody knows.

    There's hard science that demonstrates proper decarb temps and times, but I've been unable to find any real science on infusion temps or times. I did see a single test that demonstrated no difference in infusion rates between a 3 hour and 6 hour crockpot sample, though, so extended times obviously have diminishing returns after a certain point. Regardless, it's all stoner lore.....which is ass.

    After I decarb, I prefer a "low and slow" infusion method and infuse my oils / fats / whatever over low heat (150-200F) over a 12 hour period or so, which is usually done at night. All I know for sure is that those low temps won't have a significant impact on the thc-9 I took the time to decarb, and the process is effective enough for my needs.

    Do some research and experiment, because we're all just monkeys copying other monkeys when it comes to a lot of this shit.
     
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