Cloning to prevent hermaphroditism - Hypothetical question

Right now in my tent I have the Brothers Grimm 222 (romulan x airborne) growing.
It is really a pretty plant, and if it smokes as well as it smells I will pop more of them, as I have an extra pack.

The strain is being discontinued due to a tendency to herm with shorter vedge times.
I was curious if a cutting from a mother that was 8 weeks old (as recommended by the breeder) would be less prone to that herming, or if you would want to give that cutting an 8 week veg of its own after it established?

Anywho, just curious how much of a mother's health plays into their propagated children. thankya for entertaining this thought.

PopeCrisco said:

Right now in my tent I have the Brothers Grimm 222 (romulan x airborne) growing.
It is really a pretty plant, and if it smokes as well as it smells I will pop more of them, as I have an extra pack.

The strain is being discontinued due to a tendency to herm with shorter vedge times.
I was curious if a cutting from a mother that was 8 weeks old (as recommended by the breeder) would be less prone to that herming, or if you would want to give that cutting an 8 week veg of its own after it established?

Anywho, just curious how much of a mother's health plays into their propagated children. thankya for entertaining this thought.

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Never heard of shorter veg times inducing hermies, but I guess it's possible. Clones are exact copies of the mother, so if the mother is prone to going hermie, the clones will be too. That said, other environmental factors (stressors) can lead to a plant going hermie, but that varies widely, and is poorly understood. If the mother is healthy and the clones are healthy it should minimize the hermie trait expressing. I'd give it a try and see what happens. Quite honestly, I alway veg my plants for at least 45-60 days, otherwise the yield often isn't worth the trouble.

Phytoplankton said:

Never heard of shorter veg times inducing hermies, but I guess it's possible. Clones are exact copies of the mother, so if the mother is prone to going hermie, the clones will be too. That said, other environmental factors (stressors) can lead to a plant going hermie, but that varies widely, and is poorly understood. If the mother is healthy and the clones are healthy it should minimize the hermie trait expressing. I'd give it a try and see what happens. Quite honestly, I alway veg my plants for at least 45-60 days, otherwise the yield often isn't worth the trouble.

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No diss to u in anyway ( much respect) I get hermies are hermies but I also think many seeds they have evolved survival triggers and if they get root bounded, triggered to quickly or stressses they know they need to produce seeds or no future. we are growing artificially? Issue is I see killing plants before clone version or rating all hermies as not worthy is issue is I’ve seen plants that throw early stage balls/nanners cause of transplant /topping and many stresses on seed run but if taken clone it never shows up again , I’ve also seen very few not none and I run 100’s of new pheno’s every year hermies outdoors . I even tested this by running a known hermie that always throws 4-8th week and it didn’t outdoors?

Just saying yes genetics if it’s a true hermies sure but I also see in seed form/run that the seed run is def diff on hermie %’s cause after I was taught that trick many plants I saw a ball or nanner in seeds the kept clone 99% never showed it again. I wish I woild of known that when I did and I also suggest no matter what always check ur plants for pest/mold and issues like balls/nanners daily and those issues are done. one of my big thing I had to do was be able to look at my plants in a 360 view cause when I did get seeds from hermies or didn’t find me was cause they would be sog trellised and not able to see the hidden stuff 100%.

This. ^^^^

I think there are several good points to the above. I have tested a few sativas and found they grow very differently if allowed to veg longer than throwing them straight to flower from seed. I have not had or tested a hermie issue, but I think it just has to do with what the plants do in nature vs what we can force them to do indoors. I know for a fact sativas will stretch more, produce buds slower and be less potent if flipped to flower sooner, some need up to 90 days veg before flipping to flower properly, and that may go hand in hand with some genetics to throw nanners as well, it’s entirely possible. Sounds like a good experiment for someone who has plants that tend to throw nanners later in flower. I won’t call that a hermie with male and female parts from the get go, that is different and I believe pure genetics.

Edit: I forgot to address the question of waiting an additional 8 weeks. If it outgrows the tendency in 8 weeks an additional 8 weeks with the clone shouldn’t matter, it will just be another 8 weeks older. Clones are as old as the original mother, so waiting 8 more weeks will just make the clone 16 weeks old.