Clone of a clone of a clone....

BadInfluence · Jun 12, 2015

just wondering what happens if you'd keep cloning the same plant. I mean you cut some clones, veg them and then cut clones before flowering the first clones and so on. Is there a difference between lets say poly hybrids and IBLs? Will it lose vigor or potency? Is it better to keep a mother? Or is it just down to the individual plant where some keep going better than others?

Thanks!

v.s one · Jun 13, 2015

It depends if you clone early or late. If you clone when a plant is 25 or 50 its going to be that age plant or animal. I think it loses something every cloning. Take Chem Dog d for example every breeder is trying to improve it or use its genes but its been around since 91.

eastcoastmo · Jun 13, 2015

All the breeders with 20+ year old strains use clones of clones to make seeds. Both the mother and father plants are clones of clones of clones etc. It's also why some strains die as the parents lose the vigour and bug resistance that the original parents had.

amgprb · Jun 13, 2015

You will get 100 different answers to this question. Over time, taking a clone of a clone of a clone can actually change the plant a bit. It can start to adapt to its environment and after a long period of time, display different phenotipical expressions.

For example, there are half a dozen or so different cuts of LEGIT OG kush. Some people say that these all originated from the same plant, but after years of being grown in a certain area, that particular cut gets acclimated to the environment and takes on different characteristics and given a different name ie Tahoe, SFV, Ghost, etc...

I have been doing it for years with a few different cuts I have and I have not experienced any negative effects. In fact I almost feel like my Purple Kush cut, although just the slightest bit less vigorous in veg, has actually gotten much better overall then it was 3 years ago.

v.s one · Jun 13, 2015

amgprb said:
You will get 100 different answers to this question. Over time, taking a clone of a clone of a clone can actually change the plant a bit. It can start to adapt to its environment and after a long period of time, display different phenotipical expressions.

For example, there are half a dozen or so different cuts of LEGIT OG kush. Some people say that these all originated from the same plant, but after years of being grown in a certain area, that particular cut gets acclimated to the environment and takes on different characteristics and given a different name ie Tahoe, SFV, Ghost, etc...

I have been doing it for years with a few different cuts I have and I have not experienced any negative effects. In fact I almost feel like my Purple Kush cut, although just the slightest bit less vigorous in veg, has actually gotten much better overall then it was 3 years ago.

I feel you on different environments. There was a lame cat who had a cut of the east coast sour d who could not get it to grow. Until we got our hands on her then we were like WTf how long did this kid have the cut. Im still shaking my head.

qwizoking · Jun 13, 2015

Bottom line
Genetics change
Your genetics are changing right now

I prefer landraces and selfed plants when attempting to preserve, you know seed form..

I eventually lost one of my favorite plants cause i kept taking clones, lost some of its spark, mainly smells and flavor changed

amgprb · Jun 13, 2015

qwizoking said:
Bottom line
Genetics change
Your genetics are changing right now

I prefer landraces and selfed plants when attempting to preserve, you know seed form..

I eventually lost one of my favorite plants cause i kept taking clones, lost some of its spark, mainly smells and flavor changed

I shit you not, I literally was talking to my wife earlier today about this (hours before i saw this thread), her and I decided that im going to use colloidal silver and self one of my Purple Kush clones and make fem PK seeds to preserve my beloved plant in the event of one day losing her. I have made fem seeds in the past and I am very excited about the project!!!

BadInfluence · Jun 13, 2015

Thanks guys, good info here! It's unlikely that we ever want to keep a clone for 20 years so we should be ok.

bluntmassa1 · Jun 13, 2015

I know 1 tip Shantibaba said about keeping a cut for a long time was to put the mother outdoors for a few months to get natural sunlight every year that it helps restore vigor. I just never kept a cut that long.

BadInfluence · Jun 13, 2015

bluntmassa1 said:
I know 1 tip Shantibaba said about keeping a cut for a long time was to put the mother outdoors for a few months to get natural sunlight every year that it helps restore vigor. I just never kept a cut that long.

Oh i don't think that's a good idea. I wouldn't put any plant which was outside for a while into an indoor garden. That's just asking for pest trouble, isn't it?

bluntmassa1 · Jun 13, 2015

BadInfluence said:
Oh i don't think that's a good idea. I wouldn't put any plant which was outside for a while into an indoor garden. That's just asking for pest trouble, isn't it?

Not really you just take a cut off her make sure their are no mites or nothing you're good.

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