Climate in the 21st Century
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lemondroptrichomes
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How do we realistically stop the third world from polluting and destroying? It seems inevitable.
Will enough countries make it to a level of perfect harmony before the rest irreversibly alter the ecosystems of land and sea?
I reflect on this often as I travel frequently and it’s so common to see not just in Africa.
Scares me so much more than the consumption of fossil fuels or carbon emissions.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Stop economic imperialism by the major corporations and their host governments. The systematic f’ing-over of Africa has much to do with the sort of people who become big CEOs in the West.
I’d say no. Such harmony would be sabotaged by corporate (including state-corporate like our two big adversaries) interests.
They’re linked. Nigeria and oil are a leading example. I’ve read awful things about conditions in the towns and worksites for tantalum, cobalt and other gottahavium deposits.
lemondroptrichomes
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for sure the cobalt mines and everything else mined for things like the phones we all use - are mined often times by kids or slaves.
At some point a level of self governance is necessary. I don’t discount the power of unelected bureaucrats pulling the world’s strings. But there are populations on a broader scale that are mismanaging resources while polluting at an astonishing level. I’m not a total pessimist but when you see it in multiple countries all with growing populations its heavy
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
You make it sound like its the workers who are at fault for that pollution. It takes a strong democracy to fight off the capitalist parasites that cause so much of ecological harm and exploitation of workers.
lemondroptrichomes
Member
Do you travel? Have you actually been to any of the places where open trash pits, black water, and total clear cutting occur?
You just instantly pivoted to “the capitalists” and may not understand what I’m saying because you haven’t seen it. Must be comfortable and clean where you live.
Local populations are not taking it upon themselves to manage what they have. That takes self governance and local management. Multiply times thousands the number of small towns across the world with zero infrastructure developed to handle their trash, water, and local wildlife preservation. That isn’t some boogeyman capitalist or far away CEO stopping locals from educating themselves to better their environments.
It’s like you’re trying to argue for the sake of arguing.
Fogdog
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It takes a strong democracy to fight off the large corporations and local businesses that treat the environment like a waste dump for their operations. It doesn't sound like we disagree on this.
So, what prevents people from forming those democracies? Is it the feckless people who stupidly and ignorantly just want to be barely paid a living wage in order to live in squalor? Or is it capitalist corporations or foreign governments like the US, China and Russia that support dictators in those nations to suppress people from forming a strong democracy?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Please name one population with the choice to do/not to do what you seem to describe. By default, such a population is not being controlled by a tiny, powerful, self-serving minority who don’t care about the mess they are making while making their trillions as quickly as possible.
printer
Well-Known Member
I am guessing Russia thinks less about pollution in Africa than they do in Russia.
Hey wait, we are in the climate topic.