BigHornBuds

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Not a fruit I can identify, perhaps something on the c99p but the sweetness on c998 is more chocolate.

I wonder if a gradual transition would help the structure, formation and overall health of the HH? The 3x increase in above ground plant size at onset of flower would have been slowed and flower time extended, but based on what? If its still throwin pistils that late they arent mature, a ime a gradual transition to flower (up to 30 days) extends flower time compared to 12/12 immediate switch (unless uou shift your counting to start 3/4 the way through the gradual transition). This extension of time may be exactly what these everthowing pistil strains may need? That said, I think the transition would have to start when plant hits 4th or 5th node for the hh to avoid having it be 6ft tall.
The C99p was the pineapple pheno, I could see how the C998 would smell like chocolate to some, to me it was more cheese n musty cologne.

what do you mean by a gradual transition?
 

SSGrower

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The C99p was the pineapple pheno, I could see how the C998 would smell like chocolate to some, to me it was more cheese n musty cologne.

what do you mean by a gradual transition?
A gradual shift of daylight hours.
Given an 18/6 veg cycle and 12/12 flower cycle taking that 6 hr difference if done over 30 days equates to 6 min less daylight per day at sunrise and sunset. Using the arduino I enter the number of days I want to transition over and it does the rest.
 

BigHornBuds

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A gradual shift of daylight hours.
Given an 18/6 veg cycle and 12/12 flower cycle taking that 6 hr difference if done over 30 days equates to 6 min less daylight per day at sunrise and sunset. Using the arduino I enter the number of days I want to transition over and it does the rest.
I think it would be a waste, I veg 24-0 or 18-6 , then 12/12...
I think it would just add cost per gram . I think it would extend the veg time. And you won’t see real budding till your closer to the 12/12.

Right now my focus is big yields ASAP.
Less vegging, less trimming .
 

outliergenetix

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I think it would be a waste, I veg 24-0 or 18-6 , then 12/12...
I think it would just add cost per gram . I think it would extend the veg time. And you won’t see real budding till your closer to the 12/12.

Right now my focus is big yields ASAP.
Less vegging, less trimming .
sorry to jump in, especially withou tme reading everything said so far, but in my experiencei feel like flower set happens quicker one of two ways, at least with some strains.

the first and most consistent way is to give 24 full hours of dark or more before the flip. i think there is actual science behind this one to. something to do with auxins or other hormones i think. that one dark period makes the plant 'forget' what stage it is in and it kicks right into whatever stage you start back up with. in this case flowering

the second way i have noticed, but subjectively albeit, is 18/6 seems to allow for a fatser flower set, but this is not optimal because you are slowing veg growth. i noticed the faster flower set by accident because i was always a 24/0 guy but space made me do things to keep plants smaller because i was running out of veg space. i would keep them in solos longer fdor example and i cut back to 18/6. it seems since i did this i set flowers closer to a week than 2
 

thenotsoesoteric

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I think it would be a waste, I veg 24-0 or 18-6 , then 12/12...
I think it would just add cost per gram . I think it would extend the veg time. And you won’t see real budding till your closer to the 12/12.

Right now my focus is big yields ASAP.
Less vegging, less trimming .
Those are two of the traits I look for with regards to breeding, good yield and good bud to leaf ratio.

Indicas are nice but they can throw way too many leaves which takes a lifetime to harvest.
 

Frank Nitty

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This will be the mother of Thai kwon Dro and the purple badlands f2s feminized by my pure BB pheno. Honestly hate that name for this strain, its just not a purp at all for one,in my book at least haha,
so I may have to change the name.to.something.more.simple for my phenos like dawg berries etc.
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How about low ankle sprain for the name??? Hey,I like the way that rhymes!!!
 

SSGrower

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I think it would be a waste, I veg 24-0 or 18-6 , then 12/12...
I think it would just add cost per gram . I think it would extend the veg time. And you won’t see real budding till your closer to the 12/12.

Right now my focus is big yields ASAP.
Less vegging, less trimming .
I can confirm you are correct.
However, extending the time or esentially slowing down the stretch may have reduced the severity of the claw, or allowed me to react in a more timely fashion. Carrying a healty plant into flower vs. one that is stressed has critical impacts. Then for the everthoewing pistils the longer flower time could actually be a benifit for the plant. Either way if it works or dosn't, HH not seeming to be a good fit for your objectives, it aint gonna be an easy trim.
 

hillbill

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Just chopped 2/4 MonkeySkunk at 53 days with maybe 15% amber, 25% cloudy and 60% clear. Trichs go very quickly through cloudy stage. All swelled calyxes and virtually no new pistils. Remaining 2 still making a few flowers. Fuel and Cedar/Pine smells and pepper. Every bit as loud as Space Monkey. Average size with extremely good bud to waste ratio.

Sleeskunk F2s will have more room in veg as I put 3 Peak Northern Lights in flower tent.
 

LowAnkle

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The old school breeders recommend to stay away from 18/6 12/12, as it produces a generic product.

Which is what ive been so mad about for last 10 years is 2 many flavors not enough buzz.

If you wanna bring out sativa traits you may wanna veg @ 14 1/2 hours. Etc.

This is the reason I do what I call "true test" outdoors. And even still thats limited to my native area, and what IT brings out in the plants, which is awesome btw lol
 

outliergenetix

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Meltdown #3. Lime pheno.
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The old school breeders recommend to stay away from 18/6 12/12, as it produces a generic product.

Which is what ive been so mad about for last 10 years is 2 many flavors not enough buzz.

If you wanna bring out sativa traits you may wanna veg @ 14 1/2 hours. Etc.

This is the reason I do what I call "true test" outdoors. And even still thats limited to my native area, and what IT brings out in the plants, which is awesome btw lol
not disputing this but i never heard it, and i also don't by default put allot of stock in even what reputable old breeders say as many are simply cannabis ppl not agriculture ppl or biologists. there are way way too many accepted as truth old wives tales believed to be fact still today based on reputable ppl within the community saying they are true. i have heard legends like dj short say stuff that is utter nonsense for example
 

LowAnkle

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@BigHornBuds ^^^^^^^^
I think it would be a waste, I veg 24-0 or 18-6 , then 12/12...
I think it would just add cost per gram . I think it would extend the veg time. And you won’t see real budding till your closer to the 12/12.

Right now my focus is big yields ASAP.
Less vegging, less trimming .
 

outliergenetix

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yea then 18/6 is not the way to go if you want a fast turnaround
@BigHornBuds ^^^^^^^^
I think it would be a waste, I veg 24-0 or 18-6 , then 12/12...
I think it would just add cost per gram . I think it would extend the veg time. And you won’t see real budding till your closer to the 12/12.

Right now my focus is big yields ASAP.
Less vegging, less trimming .
yea you want 24/0 or 22/2 if you buy into the plants need a "break" philosphy as anything other than those would definite;y slow you turnaround down i'd imagine
 

LowAnkle

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@outl
not disputing this but i never heard it, and i also don't by default put allot of stock in even what reputable old breeders say as many are simply cannabis ppl not agriculture ppl or biologists. there are way way too many accepted as truth old wives tales believed to be fact still today based on reputable ppl within the community saying they are true. i have heard legends like dj short say stuff that is utter nonsense for example
Well im a bit of a true home scientist my self cousin.
And im Extremly disappointed in what these so called scientist label as actual science, its a joke. No games, joke worthy on a true reality level of thinking.

For example: you "believe" you know large 6 ft is... but in true reality, the only understanding that comes from is the human preception. Not even knowing how.large earth is, its most likely what we call microscopic.

We A group of un earthly beings, in the sense of nothing else on earth can communicate on inteligence, make music, fire, mirrors, wepons, or make a conscious decision even.
Then you got a group of scientist that will try to convince people of E.T,s while.detouring other humans away from the thought of angels being real, even tho under scientific terms they are one in the same. Lol.
So when you speak of anything science talk to me about true science.not some.group of fools that gained a fake title, in order to call themselfs something they're not, in the 1 true reality.
Did the man who invented collage goto collage?

My life is a more accurate study in and on all levels, compared to a 3 month scientific test/study on the mind, Ive done a 30 year test lol
 
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outliergenetix

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@outl


Well im a bit of a true home scientist my self cousin.
And im Extremly disappointed in what these so called scientist label as actual science, its a joke. No games, joke worthy on a true reality level of thinking.

For example: you "believe" you know large 6 ft is... but in true reality, the only understanding that comes from is the human preception. Not even knowing how.large earth is, its most likely what we call microscopic.

We A group of un earthly beings, in the sense of nothing else on earth can communicate on inteligence, make music, fire, mirrors, wepons, or make a conscious decision even.
Then you got a group of scientist that will try to convince people of E.T,s while.detouring other humans away from the thought of angels being real, even tho under scientific terms they are one in the same. Lol.
So when you speak of anything science talk to me about true science.not some.group of fools that gained a fake title, in order to call themselfs something they're not, in the 1 true reality.
Did the man who invented collage goto collage?
lol, well now you sound like me believe it or not. i preach what you say all the time, and i will add science by it's own definition cannot acheive it's goal of answering anything because ultimately humans cannot process all the facts and observations science 'discovers' so trying to create some unifying theory thru science is impossible since it is beyond the ability of the human brain to consider all these these things at once. there is more but it's too long to get into why, but trust me man we are on the same page here. all i meant was there are ppl who based off their status alone are given way too much power in what is accepted as fact. i wasnt really dragging science into it per se
 

LowAnkle

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Lmao Hell yea I feel you @outliergenetics

But thats why I dont bring in those titles into my thoughts, they the ones I stay clear of actually. Lol

Ill trust a true farmer whos been actually testing for 40+ years word, over any fool looking under a microscope who lost all common sence at age 10 lol

Intelligence and education are two differnt realms, I am.not educated. Happy to say lmao
 
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